DMT, sequel in a sober state..

[Brugmansia]

I was wondering who on here has experienced psychological extentions from their smoked DMT trip(s), I meant actually openings that remain after the effect has wored off. And the days after.

Despite the fact that this tryptamine is with no doubt the strongest mind altering psychedelic I have ever used, it seems to have minor effects on me once I have turned back to normal. I just remain with a light feeling in my body and mind combined with enthausiasm about what happened.

But nothing at all the day after. It's just a memory that I look back on with a lot of pleasure.

Acid caused that typical 'revolution' within my mind and the way I want to live. Even if I never use it the rest of my life I estimate these openings will be never forgotten and always prefered.

But somehow DMT has only made me doubt about life after death. I just can't tell for sure or there's Anything or Nothing. But it leaves in no way a magical mark on my soul. The feeling of 'everything can happen after actual death' is just a statement with no magical package...

 

[endlessness]

maybe you need to ingest it orally..

ayahuasca has definitely left many magic marks in my soul

 

[GOD]

+1 .

 

[Brugmansia]

I know that. But I wanted to know or other people have the same with smoked DMT as I had.

From a soul healing and enlighted perspective, smoking the DMT seems a waste compared to ingesting it orally. Smoking is too fast and too short to remain with a free mind for a certain period.

 

[GOD]

+1 .

 

[user_1919]

Through my limited experiences I have had lasting positive effects. When I extracted some DMT, I had one experience that got me threshold effects. It was not a full DMT experience. All I got was some geometrics patterns crawling the walls at speeds that I could not understand. But after the visuals stopped, I walked upstairs, and looked outside. Everything was green and lush, and I had a sense of connection with every living organism in my field of vision. It's hard to explain, but I still remember that feeling, and I look back on it, it makes me feel all warm and good inside.

PEACE & LOVE

 

[Brugmansia]

I suppose you experienced Ayahuasca then.

If one would pass out due to excessive amounts of oral ingestion Aya, it'll turn out into a trip similar to smoking DMT. And smoking a medium dose DMT is just a short trip similar to Aya.

I think it's just a matter on which level it residents. And the MAOI's which are used for oral ingestion which ain't needed with other methods of ingestion.

 

[endlessness]

I suppose you experienced Ayahuasca then.

If one would pass out due to excessive amounts of oral ingestion Aya, it'll turn out into a trip similar to smoking DMT. And smoking a medium dose DMT is just a short trip similar to Aya.

I think it's just a matter on which level it residents. And the MAOI's which are used for oral ingestion which ain't needed with other methods of ingestion.

I disagree

dmt is not just a fast ayahuasca trip.. its qualitatively different.. It does not have all the teachings and personal revelations that aya does.. its more like, the pure visual, without much of the rest

another thing is, the caapi is not there just for activating the dmt.. it has a special effect on its own.. as I argued with God (the forum one, not the Higher Being haha) in another thread, its my experience that caapi is even active by itself. The indigenous people consider the caapi as the main plant of the ayahuasca, not the chacruna dmt-containing leaves.

If you think that ayahuasca is just extended dmt trip or dmt is just quick ayahuasca, then I suggest you try some propper ayahuasca again..

 

[Brugmansia]

Thanks man, I was actually searching for this answer since I have never done Aya myself.

The absence of teaching and healing with smoked DMT is indeed something I noticed, it's almost an empty psychedelic as in terms of enlightment. I just remain with a soft and tender fresh feeling for about an hour and then it freezes to a memory. Despite the powerful effect, euphoria and extraordinary visuals.

Heard lots of stories from people who were energetic and refreshed for about a week or even longer after drinking a good prepared brew. Going to make preparations for Aya then.

 

[endlessness]

have a good one

 

[IJesusChrist]

DMT is natural, so the revelations you have on it are less extreme. They are relatable to heavy dreaming. The strongest natural dream's effect on you that you've ever had will be equivalent to DMT's effect. As with LSD and Psilocybin, they aren't natural and usually make connections in your brain that you usually wouldn't without the aide of an artificial psycho active.
DMT is a very positive drug.

 

[Bastiaan]

Perhaps a little off topic but since Brugs got his answer I think I can ask this.
I've had the experience as well that with smoked DMT, it's just an awesome trip with classy visuals.
The change in the way you look at the world and yourself is there, but it's not as strong as with good aya and the duration is too short to get any real revelations that stay with you.
I did have this with the only single aya trip I had, it has been the most beautiful experience I have ever had on any psychedelic.
But I used Peganum Harmala as a MAOI.
So my question is:

As I see caapi often being mentioned as something of real quality, I wonder if there really is a difference in the quality of an aya experience?
Anyone who has used both caapi aya and PH aya that can say anything about this?
I'll probably just have to try it myself wich I will..
But I'm curious how people that have already done both feel about this

 

[GOD]

I never noticed a diference .

 

[tryptonaut]

I think it has a lot to do with how experienced you are with psychedelics. I think the two most life-changing trips in my life were my first lsd-trip, which was only half a paper ticket plus some smoked marihuana - but it was my first psychedelic experience ever! The other one was my first high-dosed shroom trip with roughly 10g dried shrooms - this time it was life changing because it was my first "real" trip, the kind of I'm dissintegrating into molecules, I think I have died kind of trip.

No other trips, as good as they might ever be, can have the same impact on my life as these two - not because lsd and shrooms are special, but because they were the first trips.