Calea Dream Herb

[spacevis]

Hi,
has anyone tried it? What's the best way to ingest it? Tea, smoking, chewing?

 

[bonzo]

my suggestion :
grind them in coffeegrinder, get some 1g gelcaps.
stuff it in, there fits .7g calea in one cap. so you can swallow easily 3-4 caps for the same results of a 2-3g thea.
you can drink thea, but it's horrible. i thought peganum harmala was bitter, no, calea z. is the evil one /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
smoking the herb in a cigarette (no tobacco of course) works also, just before going to sleep.

nice dreams!

 

[Aerogel]

Maybe I lost myself on this forum, but were can I get some?

 

[spacevis]

Bonzo: thanks for the advice. Where can I get gelcaps in Gent? Oh, and the pictures of my mushroom cultivation are online! Just surf to spacevis.be. 2 out of 4 jars started growing mycelium.

AeroGel: you can buy it @ Azarius. Here's a link..
Calea @ Azarius

 

[bonzo]

nice white little fluffy clouds! /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

you can buy gelcaps in almost any pharmacie in any size, in any quantity at low prize. i recommend that big apothekerken in de burgstraat; 2 weeks ago i bought 250 1gr caps for about 3 euro, and what's more important they never ask questions about what you do with the stuff (they have also a lot of other interesting stuff too if you know what you're after). /forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

[spacevis]

Aha, thank you very much /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Other interesting stuff.... hmm, example? /forum/images/graemlins/think.gif

 

[bonzo]

oh, things like aminoacids (i very enjoyed my days with tryptophan in the evening and tryptosim in the morning) or plain B12 in ampuls of 1ml, can be injected in your bum /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif good for very weird dreaming too. (i just drank them, as stated before i hate needles /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
and a lot of other orthomolecular preparates that makes body and mind, well, in a way stronger and therefore better.

 

[spacevis]

Well, my dream herb arrived. I bought some gelcaps and some Valerian. I made 2 Caps stuffed with Valerian and 3 with Calea. I hope this will finally give me a good night's sleep, because I've been having trouble falling asleep ever since I quit smoking /forum/images/graemlins/icon_head222.gif

 

[Aerogel]

What about a six pack of beer?
Heheh

 

[spacevis]

A six pack of beer is indeed very effective /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif allas, it only works the first half of the night. As the actaldehyde levels rise in your blood your sleep gets more troubled, resulting in very early waking or very superficial sleep.

The last few nights I smoked some weed, but it isn't good for your sleep either. It shortens REM latency, resulting in very superficial sleep.

Calea and Valrian are said to have a very positive effect on REM sleep, so I hope the combination of both will be effective.

 

[Aerogel]

It is still somehow strange to me... but when I can, I will try it /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[The_Dreamer]

I have tried to vind gelcaps here EVERYWHERE (Utrecht) and can't find them. A friend of mine order a bunch a while ago, but I don't know the site. Anybody know where in holland (utrecht preferably) I can get them ?

 

[spacevis]

Any pharmacy carries them!! I went to the local pharmacy yesterday and although they don't usually sell them, I got the nice lady behind the counter to sell me a box. If they ask what it's for, just say it's for Valerian or some other harmless herb. You won't draw suspicion this way.

Now, I tried Calea yesterday. I had made 5 gelcaps: 2 filled with Valerian and 3 filled with Calea. I took 1 cap filled with Valerian @ 8:20 pm. After that I picked up my girlfriend and went home. When I finally sat down in front of the TV (at about 10 pm) I noticed how relaxed I was feeling. At about 10:30 pm I took the second cap filled with Valerian and 3 Calea caps. I went to bed at about 11:30 pm and had a mellowy effect. I was feeling relaxed and when I closed my eyes I had like an imagination boost. No closed-eyes visuals or anything, but my imagination was going wilder en curiouser than usual. Allas, that was it. I didn't have any spectacular dreams, but I did have a VERY good night's sleep. No problems falling asleep, no problems waking up. I was totally refreshed and even my cold is better now.

So why didn't I have the dreams? Too little Calea, or bacause I mixed it with Valerian? I don't know. I'll try the same experiment tonight, but this time I'll take 4 caps and smoke a Calea cigarette before going to sleep.

Btw, on Erowid someone reports that the combination of Valerian and Passionflower is worth trying. Maybe I'll try this after my exams /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[The_Dreamer]

My mom actually gave me some 'study' pills for my exams, they contained mostly valerian and passionflower, I was to take 1 every morning. well I passed my exams, but that was expected /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

ohh, and I went to a good pharmacist here and asked if they had empty 'nutrition-supplement'caps , she said they didn't but In fact I wonder ... /forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

[spacevis]

Any pharmacy has gelcaps. How do they make their own medicine without gelcaps? You should ask for gelcaps, or in Dutch 'gelcapsules', if they say they don't have them, they don't want to sell them to you. Try another pharmacy until you find one that will sell them to you. I think a lot of pharmacies are afraid you're going to use them to make illegal pills, so perhaps it's best to say you're going to use them for a perfectly legal herbal mix.

 

[spacevis]

GODDAMN!!!! /forum/images/graemlins/icon_head222.gif
Last night I repeated my experiment. I took 1 Valerian Cap at 8 pm. Then Another one at 10:30 pm plus 4 Calea Caps. Then at 11 pm I smoked a Calea cigarette. Result: NOTHING! I had trouble falling asleep... eventually I did, but it took a while. I woke up a lot during the night and when I woke up in the morning I was completely rested but... NO DREAMS WHATSOEVER!!!! Nothing, nada, niente, zip, zero, squat! Imagination stimulated? Yes! Some weird thoughts when I woke up during the night? Yes! Incredible mystical dreams with prophetic meaning? NO!!!! /forum/images/graemlins/icon_head222.gif

Ok, easy /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif I think there are several explanations...

1. I quit smoking tobacco and I'm smoking smoking weed not as much as I used to (which was at least one joint every day before sleeping). This could have an influence on my dreams.

2. I'm having lots of stress. Mostly because of my exams and because I quit smoking, but also in my personal life. But if that were to be the cause of me not dreaming, then this would defy the whole theory of why shamans take dream herb to explain (among other things) stressful events in their, or other people's, lives.

3. Valerian delays the waking process, so it's much more difficult to remember my dreams.

The Calea DID work. I woke up a lot but I'm rested. This means I had lots of good REM sleep. I think Valerian is the bad guy here, but I'm not sure. Anybody got any thoughts on this?

 

[The_Dreamer]

Could be, why did you took the valerian also. Only because you did in your other experiment ? Why did you use it there ?

 

[spacevis]

I had difficulty falling asleep because I quit smoking about 6 days ago. It thought I'd try Valerian (I didn't want to take benzo's, too heavy) and since my package from Azarius had just arrived I decided to take it together with Calea. The longer I think about it, the more I'm convinced that Valerian is what caused the problem.

 

[The_Dreamer]

I have also heared that you have to use calea verry regularly to get profound effects, try and take it for a week or two, you should get more and more used to the effects and eventualy maybe you can find those lost keys back /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[acx01b]

you woke up in the middle of the night?

i had this only 2 or 3 times in my life with drugs.

one time with datura, one with opiate, and one with barbituric.

and always it was really weird and little scary feeling
i dont fink valeriane is active enough to induce these fings.
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