atropa belladonna a.k.a deadly night sage

[Dantediv86]

PS i didn't even cut off my dick or my ears or tatooed momma on my left arm

 

[GOD]

You dont know what the definition of Entheogen is do you ???? Entheogen means something that awakens or shows you the god in you .

 

[Dantediv86]

the thing is
I do know
however the solanaceae awaken a chaotic god within you and basically you are being possessed by it's spirit. thus making you delirious instead of hallucinated.

 

[GOD]

"You dont know what the definition of Entheogen is do you ???? Entheogen means something that awakens or shows you the god in you ."

The god in you not a personal fantasy chaotic god in you . If you read about the people who invented the word and what they meant it to mean maybe you will understand .

 

[druglessdouglas]

belladona is much milder than datura, a bit safer

if you do take it smoke it, its much easier to dose

i learned something realy interesting smoking belladona

it was to do with how extensive the sinus area is in my head
and what it felt like to have them totaly dry out

 

[Dantediv86]

GOD i understand what you mean, however i disagree on the fantasy god you stated, i felt it was pretty real. again you can argue my mind made it real. but then again isn't it tha same with salvia?

hey lets agree we disagree

 

[Meduzz]

Datura an entheogen?

nononono...

I know that it has nothing to do with hallucinogens but is actually a deliriant.

The word "entheogens" in stead of hallucinogen

 

[BrainEater]

the thing is
I do know
however the solanaceae awaken a chaotic god within you and basically you are being possessed by it's spirit. thus making you delirious instead of hallucinated.

I agree.

It seems to me also the thing with the chaotic god, with "entheogens" that grow their "poison" against attackers in the night. (plants which flower at night)

But i don't really know ... it's more like an impression.... Like opiates have generally a similarity, which would be to calm down the brain.

By calming down the brain, "the mind" is also influenced, as the brain is a carrier of the mind.

Therefore the brain can't be sure of the mind anymore ... :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: hallucinations OR (in the case of Solanaceae plants) so :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: delerium

That's why "soft drugs" like weed can make you have intense trips and even hallucinations. Yes i have had hallucinations of smokin weed....

There might also be a difference in plants which grow "poison" in their fruits and plants which grow "poison" in their buds and plants which grow "poison" in their leafs.

peace

 

[GOD]

Look up the definition of entheogen , the original one . Entheogens have nothing to do with poison or "poisonous" plants . And dont split hairs about the definition of poison please .

 

[BrainEater]

Look up the definition of entheogen , the original one . Entheogens have nothing to do with poison or "poisonous" plants . And dont split hairs about the definition of poison please .

sorry for splitting hairs about the definition of poison, but i THINK it is fact that for example DATURA for some trippers is an "entheogen" (original one) and for other trippers it is/was/will be/would be/could be "poison" (original one) .



peace

 

[Razor29]

deliriant well simply means that when i took it i saw people that talked to me that touched me smokes cigarets and all and non of it was real!!! non of it

and no matter how much someone tells you that ur talking to the air you can see and feel a person now the trip is super real and very very very bad

 

[Dantediv86]

and exactly because atropine binds to receptors in both the nervous system AND the brain that i say it's entheogenic

 

[Meduzz]

It's impossible to split hairs about the definition of poison.

Sola dosis facit venenum :idea:

 

[BrainEater]

right. i read LSD could be toxic (= "poison") as well, but as Meduzz stated:


the dose matters. and i read about the toxicity of LSD that you needed to take a 1000th or even more multiple dose to let LSD react TOXIC. ("real" toxic, "real" poisonous)

"real" peace :weedman:

 

[GOD]

"and exactly because atropine binds to receptors in both the nervous system AND the brain that i say it's entheogenic"

Talk for talks sake . You still havent found out what the original definition of entheogen is have you ?

One definition of poison is that it does damage another one is the medical one that the action of LSD and other drugs is a body poisoning . Thats what i meant .

I also understand that a poison is about dose .

 

[Meduzz]

As everything is poison, the question is: is the poison useful?

Imo, datura has no use in a western society. People end up in psychiatric ward and in jail.
On the other hand, in some tribes it's a part of life.

Every thing is a tool and can be used an abused depending on the circumstances.
Anyway, it's not my cup of tea

 

[druglessdouglas]

in small doses it doen absolutely no damage.

i think medical atropine and scopolomine is still extracted from standardised atropa belladona. if you find a plant growing somewhere you have no way of knowing its strenth, it varies a huge amount from plant to plant as well as between populations. a bit like fly agarics, or feral/wild cannabis

 

[GOD]

The problem is that the same dose can do nothing on one day and on another it can send you to hell . Plus the chemical content of the plants and the plant parts is not stable = at diferent times it can contain different amounts . Scoploomine was used to define what a psychosis is .

 

[druglessdouglas]

in a perverse way i enjoyed my psycosis. it felt a bit different

 

[Dantediv86]

i have looked up all different sources of meaning of entheogen. before today and after today
i might be very stupid, because all it did is confirm my convintion, my dear GOD.

and then i stumbled upon this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atropine