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* An Organized Entheogen Religion *

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evenstill

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I'm trying to get feedback and generate as much conversation as possible regarding this topic within the entheogen using community. I've already started the discussion on another thread so please visit http://www.entheogen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13998 to see my ideas and hear the discussion up to this point, then come on back here and get talking. Thanks.

evenstill
 
Its an old idea and has been tried many times before and didnt work . There are a few churches in a few lands wher taking drugs is legal , the one in the USA where indigenous people are allowed to take Peyote being the main one . There are several others in south america , whos branches in Hollamd are tolerated but they are not legal . I think that the only one that is legal in europe is the Rasta Zion Coptic church in Hollamd . There was one in America in the 70s , of wich i was / am a member called The Church Of The Tree Of Light who legaly used 5 Meo-DMT and other drugs , but its gone now . To be able to use drugs legaly in a church you have to prove that it has a continual tradition for a long time . The drug laws in the world are controlled by international treaty , wich are mostly controlled by America . Opening such churches is seen as a way of evading laws and quickly stopped . A guy tried it in the USA recently and got chased out , he then went to switzerland and got chased out of there to and now he is in Holland .

The only way to legalisation is through the courts , and even then the members would be harrased = they would be got through the back door , for example by being banned from driving and forbidden to use machinery or work with children or in sensative jobs . In germany you have the right to be get stoned and to posess a small amount of drugs , but if the police find them they confiscate them and you get bannned from driving , even a bycycle for two years . They stop people who wear ear rings or have long hair for example and make them piss , if the piss contains traces of drugs , even from 2 months ago you get bannned from driving .
 
IMHO your first post was OK , the 2nd one where you have just copyed all the replys from the other site is boring . You all ready gave the link to the other site so we can look if we want to . Your idea is a nice one but unrealistic , and you didnt reply to what i said .
 
This seems like a naïve and headstrong approach into an area that has been attempted and molested again and again throughout ‘history’ and has lead to the fundamentals of our oppression now.

Any societal order, without equivalent consensus for the sectarian beliefs of dogmatic churches of the past and present, even in an attempt to unify the people within a society or the spiritual community in general, can only lead to disaster and more oppression in my view. This spawns from rhetoric divergence, conflicting deity relegation, abuse and control of sacred, omnipotent and impartial psychedelic sacraments, and finally, totalitarianism based on the inevitable power structure that such a system of eventually corrupt Unitarianism would relegate.

In attempting to erect or constitute such an organization, one would open the gates for untold quantities of people, from a diverse array of backgrounds and intents, who would no doubt have various warped belief systems and values into what is essentially a pure worship of life itself; experienced through the wise, expanded mind, and concomitant psychedelic synergy, of those willing to venture into the unknown for understanding into themselves and the cosmos.

The psychedelic initiation emerges from within, and attempting to delegate such an evolution through administration of dogmatic credentials, would mar and corrupt a pure practise of true enlightenment, of and through the self and surrounding infinity. Ones mind must be fertile for the planting of the psychedelic seed. This entails that one cannot simply be given or be indoctrinated into entheogenic use, and the realisations that stem from their teaching, without first being on that path toward enlightenment; the inward and outward realisations of the conceptual, intrinsic and everlasting systemic coalescence of the universe; through their own inquisitive nature, and criticality of expanded awareness. If the 60’s acid wave showed us anything, it was that mind expansion cannot be sold or given to you; it comes from inside, and its growth is aided by the use of psychedelics, not caused by them.

Such religions doctrine would provide a centre from which attacks can be aimed, by those condemning its practises and also nihilist dissent from those within, who have only joined out of psychotic depravity, absurd abusive intent and materialistic dominating fervour. It would leave our meaning and search for truth hindered and mutated to the extent of total corruption. It would also restrict freedom on those who did not want to join such a system and those from within who want to have some sense of novelty about what they believe. Many would use such a receptacle as an escapist relief for abusive and overindulgent intention; utilising the ‘church’ as an excusable method of ignoring their own problems and giving reinforced, ignorant consent to them for their abuse of any mind altering substance they can attain for the soul purpose of absconding from their contracted and discontented lives.

The idea you propose is a tad, if not more so, un-investigated or ill-conceptualised. Such a structure is the cause for a lot of the worlds past and current problems regarding spirituality, entheogen use and pure industrial control of our values and possibilities. A religion is simply not the answer. A new society however, free from all segregation: pious, material and ideological; where freedom of all is a core systemic hive of possibility and novelty rather than constriction, contortion and decedent or competitive dissent, may be. Such a new order is needed to throw off the chains of our violent and destructive past and give rise to the pure opportunity of mankind with the support of itself and its surroundings in nature. It is a collaborative utopia, and it will only be achieved if people rally behind its core value of desegregation of all facets of life, physical and metaphysical in being.

Peace.
 
I think an organized religion isn't something that goes together with entheogens. Entheogen use is the spiritual opposite of organized, dogmatic religion (that suppresses real spirituality).
 
"A new society however, free from all segregation: pious, material and ideological; where freedom of all is a core systemic hive of possibility and novelty rather than constriction, contortion and decedent or competitive dissent, may be. Such a new order is needed to throw off the chains of our violent and destructive past and give rise to the pure opportunity of mankind with the support of itself and its surroundings in nature. It is a collaborative utopia, and it will only be achieved if people rally behind its core value of desegregation of all facets of life, physical and metaphysical in being."

Halleluja brother !!! This is exactly what i am trying to say when i talk about revolution and it being the time for us humans to be aware that our next evolutionary step is waiting in front of us now . That we should emancipate ourselves from our past and see the steps necesery to take that step and free ourselves ..............................or stay as we are and kill ourselves and with us mother earth .

The first part of what you said is exactly the strategy of "The wicca" , and explains the reasons for that strategy . It also shows why the people that nowardays falsly call themselves witches publicly are at best people playing childish games . Wicca were / are organised in secret , autonomous covens and never sought public aproval , mass organisation or people to initiate

Another point is that filling in forms and thereby outing ourselves , making admisions and incriminating ourselves is not a bright idea .
 
Another point is that filling in forms and thereby outing ourselves , making admisions and incriminating ourselves is not a bright idea .

I think I am more effective at preparing a revolution of thought when I don't seem to be the perfect stereotype of a "hippie" to people. When a typical hippie says that he's a vegetarian, everybody shakes their head and says "well, hippie!"
When I tell people that I'm a vegetarian, well, not perfectly, and I explain to them that I do this only because I do not want to support mass production where animals are tortured for the cent, then mostly they look at me like I'm from mars because I am exactly NOT the stereotype of a hippie. Then they start to think about it.
To make people listen to you, you have to be one of them. So, be perfect, even wear a suit when necessary (and I'm sure everyone of you psychonauts has enough style to get a better looking suit than most other people!). Then, just sometimes, spread ideas. Ideas that people don't think you should have because you don't look like it. Then they start to think about it. That's what we need!
 
Live amongst them , blend in with the background and when we see chances help people , educate people and spread ideas like a virus . This is clasic "terrorist " / "freedom fighter" theory , its called "The war of the flea" . Bite them in the arse when they arnt looking and get away before they can react . Plant seeds of love , intelligence and hope , plant ideas and water them .
 
The law in Germany says that to be recognised as a religeon , the religeon must prove a 30 year history of continual organised practice in Germany and it must have more than 1,000,000 Euros i the bank . Wich sounds to me like a sly way of prohibiting new religeons . With that law in place it is an imposibility that anyone could start an organised entheogen religeon . I think that similar hurdles probably exist in other countrys .
 
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Live amongst them , blend in with the background and when we see chances help people , educate people and spread ideas like a virus . This is clasic "terrorist " / "freedom fighter" theory , its called "The war of the flea" . Bite them in the arse when they arnt looking and get away before they can react . Plant seeds of love , intelligence and hope , plant ideas and water them .
exactly, what really has organised religion brought to this world? And I mean aside from alot of war, murder, rape, discrimination AM I WRONG?
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You are right , organised religeons with their hyerachys have never brought us anything positive .

The law in Germany says that to be recognised as a religeon , the religeon must prove a 30 year history of continual organised practice in Germany and it must have more than 1,000,000 Euros i the bank . Wich sounds to me like a sly way of prohibiting new religeons . With that law in place it is an imposibility that anyone could start an organised entheogen religeon . I think that similar hurdles probably exist in other countrys .
 
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