Activism and Detachment

[GOD]

I want to apologise for my comments about napalming pacifists , budists and demonstrators . I forgot about atomic weapons , neutron bombs , flame throwers and phosphore bombs .

I read a "statistic" about the crime rate going down when people meditated . Its imposible to claim such a thing because there can not be a conection between me meditating and someone not killing inocent Palastinians in the holocaust in Palastine . But when i looked at where my statistic came from i was not surprised to see they came from the T.M. people = adverts .

I saw a proven statistic that showed that when the police in Paris went on strike the crime rate went down . It went down much more than in the meditation statistics . So it would be better to liquidise all the forces of evil and then the crime rate would reverse and be full of people charged with blatently and pasively doing nothing wrong .

I believe that meditation is part of the answer and that it should be taught in primary schools .

"ubiquitiousness (sorry for using such a word)"

Well at least you said sorry ........ afterwards ............................ Did you open a window and wash your hands ??????

"This is not everyone of course, theres a lot of inspiring people around, and joining forces with them would be the best start i think... "

Yep . ME !!!

I think the alabi lyer and gandi were / are extremely evil nazi front men , malboro , ford , levis , press hypes to lull blind fools into scratching their arses for world peace . What did gandi achieve ? NOTHING . Whats the alibi lyer ? AN EVIL WAR MONGERING KILLER , A GREEDY , RICH AMERICAN PUPPET . What about santa ??? or the silver surfer ? or DR.WHO ????? OR looking in corn flakes packets ??????

"he encounters problems always according to the traditional buddhist view"

Yep , HE LOOSES !!!!! Every single time .

"those not afraid of using violence"

= those who respect themselves , their lives , nature , enough to defend it and not masturbate their egos while watching as other people are being fryed . A very simple natural law says "Defend it or loose it" .

"The hippie idea of 'lead through example' has failed... "

It wasnt the hippys idea and it hasnt failed , this site proves that .

"2012 will be a massive ego death for the world"

I am not saying that at all . I am saying that if we actualy do do something = code word 2012 , it will have to involve changing our consciousness = see the reason to change our actions and change them .

"but you don't say how it will happen"

I did say how it wont happen .

"or how we can make it happen."

Thats what its all about . WHAT ARE WE GOING TO ACTUALY DO ?????????? Carry on scratching our arses for world peace waiting for uncle Terence to be raised from the dead out of a cornflakes packet full of astrological chakras ?????

"You call us out for waiting on our butts yet say that we should do exactly that, that 2012 will solve it. "

WHAT !!!!!!! I`m the one saying exactly the oposite !!!!!! DO IT NOW !!!!!! As far as i`m concerned 2012 doesnt exist , it wont change anything . I used it symbolicaly to comunicate with all the esoteric loonys out there who use 2012 like some magic problem solving slogan .

"They have to stop feeling the need to 'progress' by destroying their environment and causing pain to their environment. If we would all learn to love nature for its beauty, as I have since my ego death, then maybe we'd be alright. If we stopped wanting to continually keep the lights on, but instead see the stars at night, maybe we'd be alright. If we stopped always trying to make a buck by continually transporting goods, oppressing people and taking shortcuts with our beautiful environment, maybe we'd be alright."

BINGO .

"if we want EVERYONE to join us"

This is it . If we want to change anything we have to stop the divide and rule game and come together . We need to see that what we all want , no matter what the protest is = freedom to decide for ourselves . We need to stop looking at things in small catagorys and dividing them into themes that people can be for or against = we only protest against eachother instead of changing the way things are organised and desisions are made . Its not lots of diferent problems , its ONE = our governments are all interested in vested interests and not democracy = desisions should be made for the people by the people .

"How big that percentage would be, I don't know "

I guess the critical mass is about the same 1 % that rule our society , owns the press and has been in power for ????? It was always 1 % rule 99 %........ and CHEAT .

"What do you think politics is? "

A scam . A lie . Profesional criminals , mafiosi , war criminals and mass murderers . An evil alibi for nazis .

 

[Forkbender]

The problem I am facing now (and need to transcend) is how to be active politically AND transcend problems.

What do you think politics is?

I don't know. All definitions seem stoopid.

It involves power, governance, ideals, etc.

 

[silv]

Me, I say: "Play the game, and change it."

 

[Guest]

What do you think politics is?

The failed understandment of Love

 

[Brugmansia]

The problem I am facing now (and need to transcend) is how to be active politically AND transcend problems.

What do you think politics is?

I don't know. All definitions seem stoopid.

It involves power, governance, ideals, etc.

The steering wheel of our society. It's the trick to inspire the minds of the drivers in the seats, without grabbing the buttons of control by yourself.

 

[HappyMind]

What do you think politics is?

A bunch of people who think that they have enough knowledge to decide for a whole country. But in fact they have a lot of theoretical knowledge, what isn't the reflection of the reality. And if they have to make decisions (bring the theoretical into practice), then they are limited by rules, laws, and a bunch of other stuf...

In fact they live above and not with the citizens, this can never make them be a good voice of the "normal people".

 

[Forkbender]

The steering wheel of our society. It's the trick to inspire the minds of the drivers in the seats, without grabbing the buttons of control by yourself.

Good point.

 

[random]

Before every meaning that we give to "Politics", I see it just as another concept. Word. Meaningless. That actually.. DOESN'T exist At All.. Only in our HEADS. Governments, politics, partys, and so on... we almost automatically feel that word(s) as being something above us, and quite unreachable.

I think we should see it for what it is. A word, a label, a concept and Specially: A BOUNDARY

I know it's pretty beautifull to talk like this, and in practice there isn't much we can do right now about that invisible boundary.
But to introduce this kind of notions (and wisdom) to people, I think they will start to see things as they ARE. A fake. A theater. A lie. A scheme. A mirage. Something that is there, but only because we give credit to it. Other than that, it's just a bunch of human beings trying to enslave the rest of the people and animals on this planet.

I think we must start to Free our Minds of such concepts. Free our counsciousness of Trash and Bullshit. By criticizing and by giving credit to them and their concepts, we are only playing Their game and forget about what we want.

We most focus on what WE WANT, and Not what we DONT WANT.
You may say that for that we must "fight" those kind of concepts. I may be naive, but I think we don't need. If we instead of trying to fight something that doesn't exist, we should Start Creating something New. A New Vision of the World. TOGETHER. I think, even in my case, that the Hunger for Freedom, and for justice, authenticity and harmony, TRUTH and WISDOM.. our hunger for this concepts and feelings, are day by day getting smaller proportions. Why? Think it is because we, one way or another, have fear of something. We don't believe anymore on the power of the individual. We don't believe anymore on the power of unity of human beings to accomplish what, deep down inside our counsciousness and energy, want. To be Free and in balance with the Universe.
To know Who We Are, and to not fear LIFE. Not to fear Death. And to realize that we are not seperate individuals in this Universe of, like I like to call it, Organized Khaos and instead we are One with every form of life on earth, the enviornment we live in and the Universe. It's just the same thing.
Otherwise, what would it be?

Hope this made any sense.

love

 

[buffachino]

Bravo, all of you!
The wisdom contained herein is a shining beacon.

It all comes back down to the epitomic division of self from other.
The quintessence of ego;
Judgment and suffering.

If we transcend our dependence upon the separation of ourselves from the world on a personal level, and disseminate this to the world of men, there may be hope yet.

The game must come to an end, the womb be left behind, and life begun.


Oh, and thanks for sounding my old trumpet random, you did a good job.

 

[tryptonaut]

I believe that people must become active and demand their rights in the face of state oppression.

Any man more right than his neighbors constitutes a majority of one.

I heartily accept the motto, "That government is best which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe — "That government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have.

To speak practically and as a citizen, unlike those who call themselves no-government men, I ask for, not at once no government, but at once a better government. Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect, and that will be one step toward obtaining it.

Unjust laws exist: shall we be content to obey them, or shall we endeavor to amend them, and obey them until we have succeeded, or shall we transgress them at once?

Is a democracy, such as we know it, the last improvement possible in government? Is it not possible to take a step further towards recognizing and organizing the rights of man? There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all its own power and authority are derived, and treats him accordingly.

Any fool can make a rule
And any fool will mind it.

 

[random]

lol buff, thanks

Though, I wish I had a better english vocabulary so I could express myself better.


I've only read two of Thoreau's books, "Walden; or Life in the Woods" and "Civil Disobedience", and I really loved those books.
I think I need to re-read them again, specially Walden. Maybe my thirst for freedom and creativity start boiling again.

 

[tryptonaut]

What always amazes me about Thoreau is that he had all these ideas around 1850, a hundred years before Huxley wrote about mescaline, in a time when there was still slavery and the Wild West.
He went to prison because he refused to pay taxes. His reasoning was he didn't support the government's war with Mexico, so he refused to pay for it. I think he was freed involuntarily because some neighbours or relatives paid his taxes because they were ashamed of him being in prison.
I'm just a big fan of this great man! 8)