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a small part of the dutch horror story.

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dennis1978

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heya there psychonauts,

i wanted to tell you a little story.
It is about the netherlands, it's citizens ans crappy, nonsense laws
which are being made up by hardline christians which are not fit
to lead us, because they are being led themselves by the bible.
They believe blindly in something that they got told to believe in when they were child.
They are biassed and are totally unfit to even raise their own children unbiassed,
without prejudice, without racism. Let alone lead 15million people. But here it goes...

http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark? ... ID=3731299

I think you all know that you can get weed here pretty easily,
you can buy it in a so called coffeeshop. This is a pretty nice thing,
weren't it that most growers who supply shops are commercial
bastards who do not care about the plant itself. But that's another story.
The shops are a pretty good thing!

Where i live, we have the biggest coffeeshop in the netherlands.
In this shop you have 100people waiting to buy 5 grams per person,
from 10.00 in the morning untill 11.30 in the evening.
They make millions a year. Now the problem is that even that big shop can have
only 500 gram in stock. Now, how long will that last?

They have 6 cash registers where you can pay for the stuff.
So, pretty much you could say 12 customers per 5 minutes times 5 gram
equals 180 grams an hour at least. How is someone supposed to keep up with that
when having 500 grams? It is just rediculous.
So, they had a litle too much last year. 5 kilo's or something.

Which is nothing when you have 2500 customers per day or more!
Which is nothing compared to a murderer who kills for money!
Which is nothing compared to wars being waged.
Which is nothing compared to the deaths alcohol causes!

And on top of that, this coffeeshop makes the city thrive better
then all other cities in the province.
But the owner got put in jail, and the shop is closed.

Larger cafe's have more alcohol in stock?
Larger stores have more groceries in stock?
Larger tobacco stores have more tobacco in stock!

Then another problem arises when these big shops get closed up:
customers goto smaller shops, which cant keep up with their supply,
get some more supply, pigs waits for that obviously, ratBastards that they are and BOOM!
Another one bites the christian dust.

http://www.dutchamsterdam.nl/191-coffeeshops-holland

wtf?

But there is one huge problem as being a customer aswell:
I can go there to get weed, then i can smoke some there but not drive home anymore.
We are NOT allowed to drive intoxicated on WEED! We can on alcohol though!
So, a smart person would think well oke: i'll take that shit home with me!
Then arrises yet another problem, because our law states i can't transport it at all!

So i can go get weed, take it home, but the police when they check me
they can probably smell it, and make me hand it to them if i don't want to get arrested
because some reason they make up! So, i can go to the shop, buy weed and from then
i am pretty much screwed already. It won't be the first time pigs wait outside coffeeshops,
or city borders.

They would most likely try to make one use their latest crappy invention:
a tester, that according to their smartest pig can detect if one used weed!
So this is how it works:

One would have to let the pig take some of their salliva,
and the apparatus can tell if there is thc in ones body.
Funny thing is that the apparatus will be positive or false,
it can not tell howmuch one smoked! It can not tell if the weed was smoked yesterday,
or two days ago, nothing!
(the halftime of thc takes between 1 to 10 days, on avarage i think it is set to three! )
There is NO bigger machine that can determine howmuch one used, like there is for alcohol!

I will never participate in these experiments, i would rather let them arrest me :)
at least for the time i still have the right to do that!
Those pigs have no clue about what they do?
I think i must add that probably nobody ever died from weed, even in holland,
but appearantly it is still very important to get rid of the innocent herb...

wtf?

So this is all pretty funny and hylarious and all, but there is more ofcourse:
I am allowed to drink and drive in the netherlands!
I am allowed to have this or that much alcohol in my blood. Probably 2or3 beers worth.
On a whole evening much more if ones body can process it quickly.

There are 200 deaths a year due to alcohol abuse in traffic only?
This is in the netherlands only, but appearantly those deaths are oke!
No problem at all, the money made with ethanol
is much more important then 200deaths a year. This should be obvious,
because otherwise it would be banned already,let's be HONEST.

They are quick to ban xtc which hardly caused deaths.
(My opinion on mdma is that it pretty much causes death in the same way any dessert would,
if you wonder in clueless and dont drink you die. But that's just me!)

Same for weed and shrooms, ban the HUGE problem? Where are the facts that
actually prove that they are problems?

But ethanol?
LOADS of facts that proof it is pure rubbish that never has
any benefitial uses at all. They say it is good for blood vessels,
but if one would live normally, and exercise and eat normally,
such crap excuses would never be needed.
I for one have never heard of a doctor prescribing the use of some alcohol.
I have seen people get weed on prescription, amphetamin, mdma like tablets, etc.
Isn't that kind of weird?

But, there is more ofcourse :)
75% to 90% of all fights in weekends in the netherlands are ethanol related!
About ten years ago, there were NO beer commercials praising ethanol.
Translated from dutch this is what you saw on tv ten years ago:

"Drinks, they destroy more then you would ever want! Don't use it"

With images of broken homes, fucked up people, etc.
Nowadays, we see people getting encouraged to buy the shit,
Beer, wine, stronger booze. It all gets promoted via tv,
appearantly ethanol does not destroy more then you want anymore?

wtf?

Let's look at the mushroom in the netherlands.
Non toxic compounds in there, ld50 is pretty much unreachable.
There were 2 deaths from it last year. But instantly, they got banned!
Nobody wondered if there maybe other things involved!
Legal mind altering shit like anti-depressants?
Booze? No, "let's just only say it were shrooms, then we can ban them so
our christian god will like us more!" That's what our government thinks!

wtf?

Also in our country there are discussions about the fact that weed is pretty strong.
Let's say it has 20% thc. And ten year ago it had 15%.
Or no, let's make it 10%, just to make it "worse"!

We now compare this to ethyl alcohol:
beer - 5%;
whiskey: 40%.
there is drinkable stuff out there that is even stronger.

They say: Weed nowadays is too strong, it has become too strong,
it has almost doubled in potency! We must act, now!
So, well oke, it has doubled. Probably not at all, but oke, i gave this example,
sure, but, beer compared to whiskey is eight fold that percentage?
Far beyond double the potency!

Wtf?

Why can the stronger drink be eight times
the value of the weakest ethanol containing drink,
'cause 200 deaths a year, and not get banned?

Seriously, i need a proper explanation for this?
Because i can't think of a proper one to be honest.
The only thing that comes to mind is the word "evil".

Stronger weed is good, it IS harm reduction!
Risk reduction even?
You will need less of it, and in case of smoking this can never be a bad thing!

I think it also is the choice of the user. Some cant take strong weed that well,
and choose a somwewhat lighter weed. Some people don't want whiskey, it is too strong,
so they drink wine, or beer, or at least something that is less strong.
Why can't us peacefull people have such a choice?

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008 ... -in-a.html

Seriously, this is just a small portion of what goes on here in this fucked up,
led-by-biassed-retarded-hardline-christians country.

I am curious about what you psychonauts think of this shit.
Have a nice weekend guys and girls :)
PEACE!

dennis.
 
Hmmm, i will read it tonight. Are you Dutch? Or only interested in dutch people? ;)
 
Hehe interesting read.
I could've written it down myself lol.

Except a few things about weed.
I once drove a car after most effects of weed were gone, but it was pretty scary because I was afraid I might get too focussed on something and forget about me driving. :lol:
But nothing happened and I guess I drove alright.
I can't claim that it's fine to drive a car while high though.

And what's wrong with taking it home with you? I guess it's no problem, or do you not live in the Netherlands yourself?

I don't really know the exact laws about the usage of marijuana, but it's often much easier to recognize someone under the influence of alcohol than someone who smoked weed.
 
haha yeah i live in the netherlands.
I was born here aswell.

And there is nothing wrong with taking it home i would say,
but when you do so you are trafficing which is by law
prohibited. So, aslong as you don't get caught it's cool,
but the moment you get caught you will have to leave the stuff
with the police.

It's the same for posession of weed. You are never allowed to have it by law!
Yes, at home. You can have 100grams at your home.
But how does it get there?

Don't get things wrong, weed is not legal in the netherlands.
It is marginally allowed, but never really legal.

It is still a controlled substance. Even in holland.
 
It has a lot to do with the forthcoming EU standardisation which should be accomplished according many national governments of the 27 countries. Not just on drug regulation though, as you'd know. It's purely strength and economical.

It might be true that Russia, China and the US are going to be equal superpowers so the EU possibily strives to a sort of oneness as well and the outer borders will be somewhere in eastern Europe in the further future.

It is the ambition to set up a Europe in where there are no borders. So it'd be a bit daft to have a certain small surface with legal shrooms and weed, and a great easy market for all other substances if everyone within the EU border can walk in and out. Just for the record, it is just one of many annals where the EU is dealing with to accomplish oneness. But it'll be hard for us to defend since it's almost like 1 vs 26.

This not my vision though. I have a tendency to speak from angles that are foreign.

It's all about how actively our police starts to hunt. I'd fear EU protocols for police priority and valid methods. A sort of DEA would be a disaster.
 
But there is one huge problem as being a customer aswell:
I can go there to get weed, then i can smoke some there but not drive home anymore.
We are NOT allowed to drive intoxicated on WEED! We can on alcohol though!
So, a smart person would think well oke: i'll take that shit home with me!
Then arrises yet another problem, because our law states i can't transport it at all!
What? Aren't you allowed to possess weed?
 
@ Brugmansia: Yeah... It's a shame.
Terrible that other countries now decide what laws should be in our country.
It's a shame it isn't even debatable. Just most votes count. I hate it.
 
@restin -> no. It is a controlled substance, which is marginally allowed for ->

You are never allowed to have drugs in public. The government marginally allows for coca posession and mdma tablets possesion aswell. One may have this or that much of the substance and not get prosecuted, but at the same time the stuff gets confiscated because it is ILLEGAL! They are all controlled substances, and weed aswell. We may have upto 100grams of weed at home for our own use. But how is that going to get there legally :| ?

@twilight and brugmansia:
there is hope!

Let's look at spain, which is a european country:

Spain will allow for growing cannabis at home.
Spain will not prosecute drug possesion for own use.
Spain will punish by administrative sanctions instead!

They can, and will still make you pay for possesing ten mdma pills and a few grams of coca. BUT: they won't beat you up anymore and take you to jail.
Nope! They write down your name and send you off.

Spain is progressively waking up!

Those laws in spain have recently been changed a lot. Positively i might add!

http://eldd.emcdda.europa.eu/html.cfm/index5749EN.html

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@mysticWarrior ->
i'm pretty f'in' sure you knew "dat ik een nederlander was!"
And i don't care just about dutch people, i care about ALL people on this planet, aswell as all other beings in this, or outside this milkyway.
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