Does Salvia space resemble something else?

[mutant]

Did you ever have any other experiences, caused by some psychoactive or other cause that reminded you of salvia space and if yes what was it, which aspect of salvia did it remind you of?

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I have had several low , low/mid and mid doses of amanita muscaria, last time I did a bioessay on amanita pantherina. It was quite a mid dose. In some instant I was a bit detached as my friend was doing something on his PC [it was an improvisation session of electronic / epxerimental music, electric percussion, synths, beats etc - now this takes place in a break in between the jamming] and I am rolling a joint. I become somewhat detached for a couple of seconds, I get this feeling of slight dissociation I have felt in previous amanita experiences but more obvious and I am instantly reminded of the salvia space.

Have you ever felt this in other dissociatives? What are the differences?

 

[st.bot.32]

I once felt very similar to salvia-land after eating half a gram of very potent cannabis (called jack berry, so sticky, ridiculously strong). The sense of time and the visual changes felt like a threshold salvia dose, but more importantly, the weird thought patterns, the actual feeling, the sense of presence, I remember remarking to myself at the time how much it felt like salvia. This was an hour after ingestion and not long after that I went to another plateau and it left that space, really turned into a THC trip that landed me on my ass

However I had done salvia in the preceding weeks and heavy cannabis dose often mimicks other psychedelics.. (like a low level mushroom or acid feeling)

 

[mutant]

However I had done salvia in the preceding weeks and heavy cannabis dose often mimicks other psychedelics.. (like a low level mushroom or acid feeling)

interesting... I have also felt joints tasting like salvia, for no aparent reason sometimes. I mean salvia might give some very slight flash-feeling, no?

 

[st.bot.32]

I find the threshold visuals are somehwat similar for me, the general "softness", the swirling peripheral vision (everything in the corners of my eyes starts to swirl about).. although salvia motion is definitely smoother and cannabis is more granulated somehow.. oh yeah, and the senses are very amplified!

of course there is a definite point when the two substances part ways. and very much so.

 

[mutant]

Sure. But they combine well as well. Well cannabis synergises with nearly everything...

 

[Psychoid]

Not so long ago I experienced my first K-Hole and it reminded me a bit of the salvia space

 

[Brugmansia]

^ Agreed. Especially shortly after the onset, as the path goes by, it matches less or hardly.

 

[mutant]

Thanks for the answers mates

How long does the hole last usually? isn't overdosing on ketamine a possibility? Can you ingest more and visit the k-hole for the second time in a sitting?

 

[Psychoid]

I wouldn't try 2 K-Holes in a row. It lasts.... well, in reality's time, it lasted something like 20 minutes to me, but when you're in it there is no time, it may feel as an eternity.

No danger to overdose, lethal dose is about 10 times the k-hole dose. But if you take too much you'll fall asleep, which means a waste of ketamine and time

BUT eat nothing for at least 3 hours before, and abstain from water for an hour before, because ketamine sometimes causes nausea and/or vomiting, which can be dangerous as you lose the reflex of choking (I don't even think you would feel the vomit in your lungs while in the k-hole). I felt nausea only the first time I took it. It must have something to do with the fact that I also was on pot butter at the same time. NEVER mix ketamine with any other drug, it is useless and dangerous most of the time.

 

[Brugmansia]

It can be mixed with psychoactives that do not work on the same receptors. Such as MDMA, weed, cocaine, amphetamine. Despite the fact that you waste Ket, it's not directly dangerous.

Ketamine is an anaesthic that hardly supresses your breath frequence and heart rate. This doesn't even occur with swallowing one gram at once. On the battlefield, calsulties are ingested with 400 mg IM for instance, that's an operation dose.

It is not instantly fatal when combined with GHB, alcohol, valium, opiates in appropriate proportions, and have seen people who combined succesfully. But it is strongly not recommended to do this, since there's a certain chance to fall in coma, or worse...