Cebil/Bufotenin

[Guest]

So... I've got some Cebil seeds; far more than I could possibly want to grow.

As I gather it, they have Bufotenin in. So I'm wondering, what do you guys think the best way to get the Bufotenin out of the seeds and into my brain would be?

From what I've read, my basic options are smoking it, insufflating it or swallowing it...

I believe that I'm meant to 'toast' the seeds first an foremost, to remove the outer layer. And then grinding them would seem to follow...

Now, am I supposed to mix the powder with something before snorting, if I choose to snort it? I believe lime was traditionally used, though reacted with water and left to form calcium carbonate; meaning I could skip straight to that and grind up Rennie tablets, right? (On that note, if I were to do that, there wouldn't be anything potentially nasty to my nose in such tablets, that anyone her knows of, would there?)

If I decide to go oral, then am I correct in assuming I'd need a MAOI, to prevent my lovely Bufotenin being shredded by Monoamine oxidases?
If so, does anyone have any recommendations as to a suitable MAOI?

And finally; what dosage would you recommend as a starting dose, to test the water as it were? (Mentioning which way of taking it you mean; I don't wanna screw my dosage up. )
For reference on this last one; I weigh roughly 140lbs/63.5kg

Would also be nice to hear what anyone who has tried Bufotenin has to say about it.

 

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the bufo is a real pain in the nose, but there is some 5-MeO-DMT and DMT in the seeds that are the psychedelics in them. if you want to snort the cebil you could mix it with backing soda (Sodium bicarbonate), this works better than lime in my opinion. be sure to have someone to blow it in your nose because its really hard to break through if you just snort some lines.

 

[JustinNed]

If you are eating you need an MAO I for it to be active. However bufotenin can be smoked right out of the seed, however it tastes and smells disgusting. One should be able to do a crude extract to smoke/eat though.
Bufotenin is toxic though and dosages are noted around the 10mg range.

 

[Guest]

there is some 5-MeO-DMT and DMT in the seeds that are the psychedelics in them.

Yeah, I gather that they contain some other alkaloids besides Bufotenin... Any idea what kind of percentage?

you could mix it with backing soda (Sodium bicarbonate), this works better than lime in my opinion.

Ah, I thought I'd read about that being used instead, but I wasn't sure... What sort of ratio would you recommend?

be sure to have someone to blow it in your nose because its really hard to break through if you just snort some lines.

So you really feel that is a total necessity? Arrogantly I assumed I'd probably be able to ignore the pain of it, and just get the snorting over with... But I've never actually tried, of course. :wink:

If you are eating you need an MAO I for it to be active. However bufotenin can be smoked right out of the seed, however it tastes and smells disgusting. One should be able to do a crude extract to smoke/eat though.
Bufotenin is toxic though and dosages are noted around the 10mg range.

I figured a MAOI would be needed... Any recommendations as to what? I'd be looking for something OTC, of course. Unless there are any common anti-depressants that would be ideal; I can possibly get my hands on some of those.

As far as extracting goes, what kind of chemicals would I need for that? I read on an Erowid experience report (Ok, not exactly the most reliable source, I know...) that said Bufotenin is difficult to extract, due to solubility issues...

And as for toxicity... The LD50, as calculated from rodents of course, of Bufotenin is pretty high. Wikipedia cites it as 200-300mg per kg... Which would work out as 12g for a 60kg individual, right?

I'd guess you'd be talking about amounts >1g to prove damaging, right?

Thanks for the advice so far, guys.

 

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from the wiki page
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anadenanthera_macrocarpa):

Bufotenin and dimethyltryptamine have been isolated from the seeds and seed pods, 5-MeO-DMT from the bark of the stems.[3] The seeds were found to contain 12.4% bufotenine, 0.06% 5-MeO-DMT and 0.06% DMT.[6]


I have a feeling the amounts are inaccurate, and a lot of the bufo gets destroyed because of the high pH of the baking soda/lime.

I never bothered to measure, just eye ball about the same volume soda as grind op seeds, ad a little water so it gets a past, let it dry again and grind up again.

you can have visuals if snorted but for a breakthrough experience you need someone to give it to you.

for a MAOi you could use 2 to 3 grams of peganum harmala or 100 grams of passion flower passiflora incarnata boiled down tea , both contain harmalin. or order some caapi. I don't know how eating cebil would be, haven't done it myself. but probably there are some reports on erowid, so I advise you to search those.

 

[JustinNed]

Firstly I would Always check the source on Wiki for LD information, just because it says it doesn't mean it's true. I'd stick a bit under what they say.

I've read reports of Bufo ranging in the 2-5% in general, fresh seeds most likely contain much higher.

Also, I'm not sure on the extraction part I'd have to look.

I wouldn't suggest eating it because it's hard to tell the actual amount taken and it takes much more to feel effects.

 

[Guest]

Smoking enough to get any effects would seem a problem; one large (crushed) seed takes up quite a bit of room in a bong bowl, and didn't really give me any serious effects... I think the problem I'd have with trying to smoke more would be both the airflow through the crushed matter, and also the sheer amount of 'hits' it would take to smoke much more...

Snorting would seem to be a very viable method, but the excruciating pain worries me a bit.
Does it subside pretty quickly?

As for the LD50... The source was a book, so not much luck in backing it up there... But this website states the same LD50, so I should think it's a good enough guess; the LD50 doesn't directly translate from rodents, anyway.

I'll look into buying some of those MAOIs.

Thanks guys.

 

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the pain is worst in the first 2 minutes, after that it mellows out a bit but prepare for a sore nose for at least 2 and a half hour.