[?] basifying N,N-DMT from PURE POWDER -- NOT an extraction

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hypothetical question.

let's say I had lab-grade N,N-DMT powder in my hands, right this minute. I'm looking to convert this powder to its freebase form. I've browsed through a few of the popular teks and I have a general idea of what I'd be doing, but I could use a better explanation from somebody who actually knows what they're talking about.

I know I need some naptha and lye, jars, turkey baster, shit like that...but considering all the tutorials I've read are dealing with plant material and not actual powder, I'm not sure what goes where, or where to begin.

any help would be vastly appreciated.

 

[phalaris]

Heartcore posted a great tek a while ago, including pics from a to z.

It should work just fine, going from the dmt salt instead of plant material.



I personally would try to solve a bit in warm distilled water, and maybe acidify only to 5-6 if in won't go into solution well.

For the polar solvent I would use ether, since you started with pure dmt salt you can evaporate all ether to leave the pure dmt freebase crystals.

hypothetical answer.

..and if you have some salt to experiment on you can try to mix the dmt salt with a base like Na2CO3*xH2O . When you heat this in a glass bulb pipe, the solid mixture will most likely turn into a liquid goo, generating dmt freebase in the pipe itself. Well, in theory at least.

 

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..and if you have some salt to experiment on you can try to mix the dmt salt with a base like Na2CO3*xH2O.

what is this? I've never heard of doing anything like this, but I'll probably have enough lying around to experiment with in this hypothetical scenario.

 

[DMTripper]

I think the only way to go is to put the salt to basified water using lye (maybe around ph 13) and then do a naptha pull. Then just freeze or evaporate

 

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word. Doesn't seem like it'll be particularly difficult working with such ungodly pure material. Probably gonna save some of this hypothetical hydrochloride salt, too. Can't wait.

thanks for the help guys. I've never sampled the N,N variety before (5-MEO veteran through-and-through ) but I'll be sure to report back here whenever I've got more shit to tell.

 

[phalaris]

I think the only way to go is to put the salt to basified water using lye (maybe around ph 13) and then do a naptha pull. Then just freeze or evaporate

why so high in pH, and not just pH ~ 10 ?

as a sidenote, this would be a really nice crystal to hang around your neck in a glass vial :

source: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/images/archive/dmt_crystal1.jpg

 

[DMTripper]

I think the only way to go is to put the salt to basified water using lye (maybe around ph 13) and then do a naptha pull. Then just freeze or evaporate

why so high in pH, and not just pH ~ 10 ?

Because I know 13 is safe

 

[Entheonaut]

as a sidenote, this would be a really nice crystal to hang around your neck in a glass vial :

Holy shit! rayer: Forget diamonds! I want that one...

 

[GOD]

I thought that the ph scale only went up to 10 ??? You do not need it to be that high anyway . Why do you want to base it ??? Just sniff it , make an ayahuasca analog or put it in a magic buble pipe and chase the dragon with it . If you want to base it use warm distilled water and natron , then wash it out with medical grade benzine , available for 19 - 22 euros a liter in europe . They may ask you what you want it for . So suss a good reason first .

LOVE GOD

 

[Entheonaut]

I thought that the ph scale only went up to 10 ???

pH ranges from 0 - 14

 

[phalaris]

pH ranges from 0 - 14

for all practical purposes; yes.

but some of you may find it interesting to know that the 'pH' scale is not bound to any limiting value at all.
The 'p' in pH means the '10 base logaritm of the H+ concentration muliplied by minus 1'
So this means that a concentration of [0,1]H+ corresponds to a pH of 1 and [0.00000001]H+ corresponds to a pH = 7

But in principle this scaling systems does not forbid weird values like pH = -1, it simply means a concentration of 10 moles H+ per litre water.

 

[GOD]

Thanx to both of you for the PH info .

Phalaris , how did you copy charts and pictures into your answer , i wanted to do that for ages , to back up some of my contraversial claims , but i have no clue how to do it ??? The thing i was thinking about was that water is suposed to be PH7 = neutral = in the middle = that would mean that if it went to plus 10 - 14 on the one side it would posably mean it could go down to minus 3 - 7 on the other side !!!

nbsp , you say its a lab grade powder . DMT comes from the lab as a base , or a picrate , oxylate , fumerate, and reportedly hydrochloride salts . The salts are suposed to be water soluable = you can sniff it , inject it in the muscle , or in the vene !!!!! The smoking it in a buble pipe idea is my opinion , smoking it in a pure pipe is suposed to be disapointing , but in the buble nothing can escape , it would be a mixture of burnt and vaporised DMT , so i see no reason why one should not get BEAMED . You can put 100 mgs in a joint with tobako (?If you are tired of living , and want to stink like an ashtray?) or other smoking herb exept grass as its suposed to spoil the effects . It does not matter how you smoke it , it tastes like a mixture of burning plastic and/or mothballs . The hit from DMT does not compare to 5-Meo DMT . Most people ( = nobody ) dont like it . 5-Meo DMT is like being shot out of a cannon at a million times , a million times to the power of a million times , the power of a million times to the power of a million times the speed of light . In the first 1 tenth of a sekunds(?) , then the exeleration starts . The comming up on DMT is only like getting hit by a bus = harmless in comparison . 5-Meo DMT is not ( usualy ) as colourfull as DMT .

LOVE GOD

 

[silv]

it's second GOD
And I have been told that under special lab conditions it is in fact possible to get a ph of 0 or lower. This would have to do with artificially slamming more HCL (for example) in a quantity than would be possible under normal circumstances. (upping air pressure and stuff by quite a bit would help iirc).
But in the real world it ranges from 1 - 14