Anyone made Phalaris Ayahuasca?

[Witness]

I'm thinking about growing my own batch of phalaris. Anyone have any experience in using this to prepare ayahuasca or extracting DMT from it?

 

[amoak]

Hi,

There are 2 kinds of Phalaris ,
Phalaris Arundinaca contains 5-meo-DMT and DMT with an average of 0,060%DMT and between 0,004%-0,121% of total alkaloids , and Phalaris Tuberosa contains 0,100% DMT , 0,022% 5-meo-DMT and 0,005% 5-ho-DMT .

I think but I'm not sure that you can extract DMT with MHRB Tek, but maybe you will need an extra process to clean , but is a easy process , you may just need to mix the non polar solvent to the solution when the solution till acid , than you suck out the solvent and you continue the extraction normally , the solvent you take out the fats and oils , but i'm not sure if work's with Phalaris ,i know this tek is used with many plants to clean before the basification.

Cheers

 

[synchronize]

You can use the same tek as for MHRB only do some extra defatting staps. This is necessary since you use leave material which contain more fats and other crap that you dont want to have in the end product. But the big difference with Mimosa is that phalaris contains besides NN,-DMT also 5-MEO-DMT. These 2 are extreme difficult to separate, so you get at least these 2 in the end product so no pure DMT! And another problem is that you will need kilos of dry phalaris leaves to extract for very little end product. My advise is go for mimosa. BUt jeah phalaris is almost free

 

[amoak]

You can use the same tek as for MHRB only do some extra defatting staps. This is necessary since you use leave material which contain more fats and other crap that you dont want to have in the end product. But the big difference with Mimosa is that phalaris contains besides NN,-DMT also 5-MEO-DMT. These 2 are extreme difficult to separate, so you get at least these 2 in the end product so no pure DMT! And another problem is that you will need kilos of dry phalaris leaves to extract for very little end product. My advise is go for mimosa. BUt jeah phalaris is almost free

Of course you get DMT mixed with 5-meo-dmt and bufutenine , that's the reason why i post the alkaloids composition.
I've done it with Peregrina and chaliponga and they have 5-meo-dmt and bufutenine as well , and work's , but you get a mix of triptamines but is powerfull , i love that mix , i love peregrina extract and they have the same composition , i really advise you to try , and phalaris have small amout of others alkaloids ,
So conclusion , you may can do the extraction , of course if you want pure DMT is better mimosa

 

[phalaris]

another problem is that you will need kilos of dry phalaris leaves to extract for very little end product.

very true !

My attempts at extracting Phalaris grass were sobering, but not a total failure. 1 kg dry grass will be more than 10 liters because it is so damn fluffy
Also cutting the grass into small pieces and even get it powdered is no small task.

I am curious if anyone here can come up with a practical extraction:

To lower the barrier for trying the extraction, anyone who wants can get a patch from my backyard. it grows like crazy, so in the spring you'll have a few m^2.

And in spring itself I'll collect the clippings, and post it here.

Last year I threw away most of the clippings, they simply would not fit into the freezer anymore.. and in dustbinbags they begin to rot after a few weeks!

PM me if you want to visit and dig a hole in my yard

 

[HeartCore]

Of course you get DMT mixed with 5-meo-dmt and bufutenine , that's the reason why i post the alkaloids composition.
I've done it with Peregrina and chaliponga and they have 5-meo-dmt and bufutenine as well , and work's , but you get a mix of triptamines but is powerfull , i love that mix , i love peregrina extract and they have the same composition , i really advise you to try , and phalaris have small amout of others alkaloids ,
So conclusion , you may can do the extraction , of course if you want pure DMT is better mimosa

Its not so ofcourse as you bring it. there are different species of phalaris and according to my info, not all of them contain bufo/5meo in addition to nn-dmt.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/phalaris/p ... _faq.shtml :

P. Tuberosa:
DMT 100 mg .100%
5-MeO-DMT 22 mg .022%
5-OH-DMT 5 mg .005%
P. Tuberosa (net gossip)
DMT 170 mg .170%
5-MeO-DMT 60 mg .060%
P. Arundinacea (net gossip)
DMT 60 mg .060%
Desmanthus Illinoisis (root, from Ott)
DMT 200 mg .200%
Desmanthus Illinoisis (root bark only, from Ott)
DMT 340 mg .340%
Psychotria species (averaged, from Ott)
DMT 200 mg .200%


Trying to find a few threads on mycotopia about it but there it seems to be a known fact, some phalaris is very clean to extract. Dont have experience with it myself yet but I've got a bag of Arundinacea seeds waiting for spring

 

[amoak]

Of course you get DMT mixed with 5-meo-dmt and bufutenine , that's the reason why i post the alkaloids composition.
I've done it with Peregrina and chaliponga and they have 5-meo-dmt and bufutenine as well , and work's , but you get a mix of triptamines but is powerfull , i love that mix , i love peregrina extract and they have the same composition , i really advise you to try , and phalaris have small amout of others alkaloids ,
So conclusion , you may can do the extraction , of course if you want pure DMT is better mimosa

Its not so ofcourse as you bring it. there are different species of phalaris and according to my info, not all of them contain bufo/5meo in addition to nn-dmt.

:

P. Tuberosa:
DMT 100 mg .100%
5-MeO-DMT 22 mg .022%
5-OH-DMT 5 mg .005%
P. Tuberosa (net gossip)
DMT 170 mg .170%
5-MeO-DMT 60 mg .060%
P. Arundinacea (net gossip)
DMT 60 mg .060%
Desmanthus Illinoisis (root, from Ott)
DMT 200 mg .200%
Desmanthus Illinoisis (root bark only, from Ott)
DMT 340 mg .340%
Psychotria species (averaged, from Ott)
DMT 200 mg .200%

Yes , but you post exactly the same 2 kinds of phalaris that i post , Tuberosa and Arundinacea.
And recent test show that Arundinacea also contains 5-meo-dmt and 5-ho-dmt , of couse also depewnds in the region where it was collected.
The others aren't phalaris as you know , even if they are from the same family, i don't know about it ,but they aren't phalaris species.
Any way is not the best source for dmt .

Cheers

 

[afer]

"I've done it with Peregrina and chaliponga and they have 5-meo-dmt and bufutenine as well"
Never heard chaliponga has bufutenine.If it's true, how can you make aya out of it?Bufutenine is considered harmful if not deadly if taken orally with MAOI.
Correct me if I'm wrong.I'm really interested in that fact for I'm intending to use chaliponga as a main aya ingedient,combined with harmala.