1st and 2nd salvia experience

[nuno]

On April 9th/2010 i tried salvia for the first time. I had wanted to initiate my salvia experiences with the quid method but unfortunately all i could find locally was the 10x extract. Bought myself a beautiful little water pipe and a torch with dual elements. 2nd experience was yesterday, april 11/2010.

For the first experience i had a sitter that i have utmost trust in. The 2nd time my sitter was my cat (which curiously enough worked out well as you will see). The setting was the same for both experiences, laying in my bed with all external stimuli turned off including closing the curtains so that the light in the room was very dim.

Experience #1: i filled the cap of the salvia vial and used that as a measuring unit. Smoked a whole cap in one puff and held it while counting to 30. During the count i noted i could no longer tell that i was holding my breath, after letting the smoke out i layed back and closed my eyes. I remember feeling as if the whole room was vibrating. Don't remember much of what happen next but i remember coming back to myself feeling as if a great lapse of time had passed. At this point i sensed or saw a glass wall or clear membrane in the middle of the room between me and my sitter, on the side of the sitter i saw my room on the other a scene from my childhood back in my native country. The lucidity of the image from the past was very clear, i could feel the sunshine on my face and the old walls of my grandmother's house. My train of thought was completly strange to me, it was as if i had other people talking to me in my head which where telling me something to the likes of " be still or she will notice" (i think this was in reference to the sitter) and " your back now". Slight sense of shame, and a slight panic that lasted only seconds. Also that sense of disorientation where i didn't know who or where i was at first. Above all i had the sense that this reality was a dream and that salvia was waking me up, which wasn't a particular good feeling i might add. Afterwards i enjoyed some nice open eyed visuals where my flowered patterned curtains became a surface full of moving geometric shapes.

Afterwards i consulted with the sitter to see what the experience had been like from her point of view. She stated the whole thing lasted between 5-10mns. I was very still, tried to move a few times but was unable to. She said that at one point i picked up my right hand with my left and moved it towards her. Also she stated that i repeated several times that "i'm there" but that my words where slurred and in slow motion. She also noted that i kept looking towards my right. I did sweat profusely during the experience which was the only thing that worried my sitter.

I had a nice afterglow that lasted the rest of the day and into the next. Slight euphoric feeling and just general well being and good humor. The fact that there was a memory lapse puzzled me and i kept wondering where "there" was. which led to experience #2.


Experience #2: I decided to try a slight smaller dosage to see if i would be able to better remember the experience. Plus since this time i had no sitter i was a bit reluctant to do as much. The room was prepped as before. Decided to leave my room door slight open as my cat hates closed doors and i know it would cause her to become noisy and scratch the door if i closed it. I smoked 1/4 of a vial cap to start with, which gave me mild effects. The now familiar vibration of the room was almost immediately felt after exhalation of the salvia smoke, i started sweating profusely again and was very hot. after about 1mn as the effects didn't progress much farther i smoked 1/2 cap to a total of 3/4ths of a cap, just slightly less than the first experience. This time things where different, and i do remember most of it but not all. I felt as if being pulled from the back of my neck and as i was sinking in the reality in front me folded in itself as if a book closing. Again a sense of returning home and of waking up from a dream which is this reality. Fear as if i woke up i wouldn't be able to return. I still had my sense of ego and my mind kept reminding itself that what i was experiencing was the dream not vice versa, also had to remind myself of my life in order to reconnect to the point in time that is now. It was quite confusing. There are memory lapses after the intital pull, i know i covered my face with my hands because when i started regaining a bit of awareness thats where they where. Sometime during the experience my cat jumped on the bed and meowed at me. i saw her clearly, i didn't see the bed but i could see the cat. She gave me a sense of worry as if she was concerned for me, i reached out and grabbed her fur and it was as if she pulled me from the experience for as i did that i started returning back to my self awareness. At the end of experience i felt rebelious towards salvia, as if i had gone searching for something and she had taken me in a different direction that i wished. Throughout the experience i had the sense of being watched as if there where other entities just beyond the veil that i was being pulled into, i think i was spoken to but i dont remember what they said, there was more than one and they did feel familiar as if they where people that where important to me in the past. I had no open eye visuals during my come back as in the first experience unfortunately as i did enjoy those the first time around.

I was suprised that my cat showed up perfectly clear during my experience, and that i recognized her immediately. This was a suprise because when i did have a human sitter, not only did i not recognize her until i was mostly back i definately didn't see her during the experience as far as i can remember even when she spoke to me (which i have no recollection but she states she did ask me a few times if i was ok, and she did lean over and kissed me, which i had no awareness of neither as far as i know).

The reason i felt that i remember most of this experience is cause i didn't have that feeling of a great time lapse as in the first. Yet this second experience lasted far longer. The initial puff was at 1905, i smoked the second puff at 1907, when i was self aware and looked at the clock it was 1930, by the time i could stand up and move normally it was 1940. From 1907 to 1930 it felt like 5mns. Which might indicate that i might have experienced more than what i am aware of.

After the experience i was freezing and shivering. Yet throughout the experience i was boiling hot and sweating profusely.

I'll update this post if i remember more. Any comments and suggestion on how to improve the experience are welcomed as i definately wish to try again.

nuno

 

[Synith]

Don't measure anything. Keep smoking and reloading your pipe until you're in Sally's arms and the pipe you had is a golden eyeball. At this point, your sitter should take away the pipe. I don't think using a water pipe yields a good experience. I use a hand-healed wooden pipe. Harsh smoke, though unpleasant, works best. For quid, you need a shitload. (At least 14 grams in one sitting). It's better to smoke it, unless the smoke is too harsh, or unpleasant. If you've smoked Cannabis without hacking a lung out for more than 3 minutes, you'll be fine. Sounds like you already are. Mint in itself is hard to smoke. I can't stand menthol cigarettes. Salvia's a different story. You get used to it. Plus, the harshness and bitterness of the smoke doesn't last long, so it's easy to get past it.

There are two kinds of Salvia experiences. Bang and boom. Bang, is a full-on psychedelic experience. Boom is less. It's more of the body feelings. I notice lower extracts give me the bodily effects and higher give me a full on trip. Both are very interesting. At lower extracts I've heard voices that aren't there and felt like I was in two places at the same time. It's hard to describe unless you've felt it.

Hopefully you know Salvia has a reverse tolerance. Unlike Alcohol, where you need more to gain that first 'drunk' feeling again; wil Salvia, you need more to achieve much of anything. Your body treats it like it should. It's a poison and the mind and body want to process it as quickly as possible to get it out. When you smoke more and go up with the extracts, but the time you get to 60x, your body will be used to it and you'll get more out of it. Keep in mind, if you take a break from Salvia, you're going to have to start again, or smoke higher extracts. When smoking and moving up the chain of extracts, it's wise to smoke until you're not coordinated enough to hold the pipe. You want to make sure you give your body a full dose so you can get something out of it. If this means smoking all of what you have, do so. Never think 'But I'd like more for the next time...' Never. Always think about 'this' current experience. You want to be sure you get something out of it.
Also note it's not wise to smoke Salvia every day. Take a break. One experience from Salvia needs resting time for a good week. You can, though-- smoke twice a week, spaced apart by at least 4 days.

Anyhow, sounds like you're starting to get more out of Sally. She wants to show you, but your body isn't ready yet. Prepare your mind first, then your body, then your mind again. With wise intentions, she has the power to change your life for the better if you allow her.

When you have your first 'trip' (trust me, it hasn't hit you fully yet,) shut off. I ruined a mind-blowing first experience by being too tied to this reality, afraid to let go. It was unpleasant. The second time, though-- changed my view on so many things. Hopefully she will for you, too.

Peace and love.

 

[IJesusChrist]

I have some contradictions with synith, as I have only done salvia once and have only read a handful of salvia experiences close to mine;

complete and utter disconnect with reality. Yours you seem to be aware of your room, your cat, your surroundings, atleast partially.

You mention the pulling on the neck - that happens to most people, as well as the feeling of 'people'.

For me, my one trip, I could see absolutely nothing of reality, yet according to friends my eyes were open. I was falling through a fractal of people - they were all laughing at me. They also explained to me, in some way that salvia was the 'real' reality - and what I had been living in before was the dream, the fake. Salvia tells me that it is lifting the mask, not putting one on. It's discomforting to be told everything you know is false...

 

[steste]

Hi sorry to reply to an old post but there is an excellent reply to the OPs post.
I have a few questions that I need help with..

First off, I have been researching salvia for months prior to my first experience. The only thing I want to do is meet the good lady herself.

Anyway, Ill start with my first and second experience (which happened straight after each other yesterday)


Smoked an 40x extract for the first time today and on my own. The first go I had was pulled from a gravity bong. I didn't know who I was or Where I was. I couldn't move and my mind was bending. Anyway I thought that, that was a little too much so after 10 mins or so I had another go with less amount and a small (homemade) bong. This time was great. After inhaling and holing in, I blew out the smoke and it hit me. I heard the TV from the other side of the room and feeling like I am wrapped in some kind of force I was drawn to the TV. the reason I later found out was because on the show the presenter was introducing someone onto the show.(which created a rise to the peak) With everyone clapping and the intense build up, I had to be there.(I actually stumbled / rolled)on to the couch. Once there the colours of the TV screen seemed to wrap around my whole body sucking me in. I felt so euphoric I thought I was in the audience. Complete crazyness and so unaware I realised that my left hand was reaching out and grabbing the band of colours that were surrounding me while I was so fixated on the screen.The colours seemed to have a soft texture, and my head was erging everyone I know to come and see this. Very good stuff but to me it seemed over in seconds.

Now...

Having a day to think about my experience I am wondering whether you could help me figure out if I have not smoked enough? as the whole experience seemed to last seconds :-/ Or... did I smoke to much as Im finding it hard to remember what happened (in the first trip) all I remember is lying on the floor pleading for forgivness and how sorry I am for smoking it. Did it only last seconds because I blacked out the rest? Should I try more or less next time??

Thanks for your help

Ste.