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  1. M

    Why a documentary on the Secret History of Magic Mushrooms?

    instead of changing the subject, are you able to actually answer my question? As i said, i am an avid follower of Jan (i was one of the first 5 people to read his second book) and i can say withy certainty that he is totally clueless about psychedelic cognitive dynamics. However if i am wrong...
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    Why a documentary on the Secret History of Magic Mushrooms?

    There is an ontological distinction between a physical mushroom, and an altered-state experience that is induced by eating a physical mushroom. Jan Irvin correctly identifies hidden images of the mushrooms in chrisitan artwork, but he never identifies allegorical descriptions of mushroom...
  3. M

    Why a documentary on the Secret History of Magic Mushrooms?

    can you give an example? It would be great if Jan has recently developed his understanding in this area, but nothing ive ever read of his would indicate that he has, and i am an avid follower of his work. The recent work that this thread concerns, Jan's conspiracy theories about Gordon Wasson...
  4. M

    Why a documentary on the Secret History of Magic Mushrooms?

    that's an understatement, he named his son 'John Marco' in honour of Allegro Irvin makes the same fundamental error as John Rush does, by putting all the focus on the physical mushrooms, and none on the mushroom experience. He looks for evidence of mushrooms in christian artwork, but he doesnt...
  5. M

    The Height of Consciousness...Valhalla

    Welcome to the wonderful world of psychedelic mental transformation :D
  6. M

    what's happened to Michael Hoffman from egodeath?

    Michael Hoffman has resumed his prolific daily posting in the ego death group at yahoo after several years absence: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/egodeath/messages
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    Nassim Haramein: genius or fraud? Flaws in theory.

    i might take nassim, or his followers, a bit seriously if only they would stop lying about his achievements, if a person has to make up lies about being published in a peer review journal just to convince people to listen to him, then he probably isnt saying anything worth listening to, Haramein...
  8. M

    On the Validity of Psychedelic Experiences

    how do you measure validity in the first place?
  9. M

    On the Validity of Psychedelic Experiences

    your having this discussion about illegal substances in a SCHOOL???? Wow i wish i went to your school! you should definitely read the essay: 'The Bubble of Simulation: Subjective Experience as a Virtual Environment', it's here: http://egodeath.com/BubbleOfSimulation.htm Psychedelic drugs dont...
  10. M

    err... most bizarre trip yet

    Freud would come in his pants if he could read that trip report
  11. M

    Nassim Haramein: genius or fraud? Flaws in theory.

    Science is never about getting things 'right' (ie making true statements), rather science is all about continuously increasing the accuracy (= predictive power) of the model, scientists make bold conjectures/hypotheses, then subject them to rigorous testing to try to falsify them, that is how...
  12. M

    Nassim Haramein: genius or fraud? Flaws in theory.

    The basic problem with this guy is that he falsely advertises himself as a 'physicist', when in fact he barely grasps elementary textbook physics. He is not a physicist, he is just one spiritualist teacher/guru among many others (Eckhart Tolle, Deepak Chopra etc etc), what he is doing in all...
  13. M

    Unified Field Theory(a solution to Einsteins field equations

    To be absolutely specific, he has not been published in a peer reviewed academic journal, ie a journal where every article is carefully scrutinised by a team of top-level academics, and he never will be, because none of his work comes anywhere near to academic standards of rigour and accuracy...
  14. M

    Unified Field Theory(a solution to Einsteins field equations

    You provided a link to a review of a conference at a Beligian university (the conference took place at the university, but it was not affiliated with or organised by the university, anyone can hire a room at a university for a conference), this is not a 'peer reviewed journal', since the people...
  15. M

    Unified Field Theory(a solution to Einsteins field equations

    im not a physicist, i didnt mention which 'model of the proton' i accept or dont accept im talking about this man's "theory", not about my own beliefs. The theory does not reflect reality, when protons are measured, they are found to weigh about 1.67 trillionths of a trillionth of a gram...
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    Unified Field Theory(a solution to Einsteins field equations

    Allusion, you said that this man has had his work published in a peer reviewed scientific journal, however the link you posted was to a review of a small conference at a Beligian university, and NOT to a peer reviewed journal, i still want to know what journal this man was published it (if it...
  17. M

    Unified Field Theory(a solution to Einsteins field equations

    his basic theory which he says in his paper is something like "assume that a proton has as much gravity as a black hole", even though it never does, that is a snapshot of this man's 'genius', a single absurd assumption, followed by a load of useless mathematics
  18. M

    Unified Field Theory(a solution to Einsteins field equations

    Nothing that this man has written has ever been through the peer review process, and no self-respecting scientist or physicist would ever bother to do so. He is 100% fraud and nothign he says has any real mathematical or scientific significance, try and find one actual scientist who takes him...
  19. M

    Unified Field Theory(a solution to Einsteins field equations

    Also read this blogpost 'Nassim Haramein - Fraud or Sage?': http://azureworld.blogspot.com/2010/02/ ... -sage.html
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    .

    The whole 'big bang' idea is grounded in the assumption that time and causality are linear, a circular-time/causality model removes the need for a 'big bang'
  21. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    there are experiences, and there are words/concepts which refer to experiences, these are 2 different things (words and experiences are ontologically distinct), do you agree?
  22. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    you are asserting that the map is the same thing as the territory, that is a category error/fallacy, there are in fact TWO things, - 1.the map (refererence), and 2.the territory (the referent), these are not the same thing, the map is not the same thing as the territory. The map is a squiggly...
  23. M

    Psychedelic: Defined

    what do you mean 'dualistic'? i dont know an exact place, do a search for the relevant words. The basic idea is, schizophrenic psychosis and tripping both share the common feature of loosening (or splitting) of cognitive associations, they differ because in schizophrenia the periods of...
  24. M

    Psychedelic: Defined

    He clearly explains the difference between psychosis (ie mental illness, schizophrenia), psychedelic tripping, and enlightenment, he does not say they are the same thing so he cannot be 'mistaking' them for each other I dont think Hoffman would disagree with any of this ^ so this is not a...
  25. M

    Psychedelic: Defined

    Read that quote very carefully, he isnt saying there that entheogens are more OR less legitimate than meditation, rather he is outlining two different viewpoints, the 'orthodox' viewpoint and the 'gnostic/mystic' viewpoint, on a number of distinct subjects including the legitimacy of entheogens...
  26. M

    Psychedelic: Defined

    Hoffman’s overall project is to explicitly systematise the psychedelic insights, to build a general framework (or paradigm, model etc) which explains why psychedelic drugs have the effect they have and what the metaphysical significance is of that effect. You can view all trip reports through...
  27. M

    Psychedelic: Defined

    No different guy, this Hoffman has briefly commented on the writing of the other ^ revisionist historian Michael A Hoffman II First read this article: The Bubble of Simulation: Subjective Experience as a Virtual Environment - http://egodeath.com/BubbleOfSimulation.htm that article has roughly...
  28. M

    Psychedelic: Defined

    Are you familiar with Michael Hoffman's cybernetic theory of ego death? If not you should definitely have a look at www.egodeath.com, that is the most advanced theory of psychedelia by far, Hoffman is years ahead of everyone else (ie Grof, Leary, Mckenna etc)
  29. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    instead of 'fallacy', it is better to think of it as a 'naive mistake' Ordinary consciousness (from when you wake up until you fall asleep) takes the form of a person in a world, the unenlightened mind interprets that experience literally, believing in the existence of the person and believing...
  30. M

    Psychedelic: Defined

    this is excellent!!! Exactly along my own lines of thinking psychedelic tripping = transcendent mode of mental-construct processing
  31. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    it is a blatant self-contradiction to say "I have no ego". Ego remains after enlightenment because the Ordinary State of Consciousness is resumed as soon as the drugs wear off, and the OSC is *shaped* like an ego in a world. But the enlightened mind of the zen initiate has ceased to fully...
  32. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    no i wouldnt say this is a reference to a 'fallacy of language' (ie spoken language), it is a reference to the experience of mentally 'dying' in the psychedelic altered state (ego death). Ego death is a shift from one level of understanding (the egoic worldmodel) to a higher level of...
  33. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    what if the statement "they are one and not-one at the same time" is neither true nor false? :rolleyes: These kinds of questions are irrelevant to the project of altered-state phenomenology/cartography Ego believes that it is real, this is the meaning of "I think, therefore I exist", ego is...
  34. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    yes exactly, it's Platonic philosophy - there are 2 levels, the level of seeming, and the level of being, these 2 levels are NOT the same, just as sitting around meditating is NOT the same as tripping on LSD. Enlightenment is all about acknowledging and understanding this distinction, the...
  35. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    It is crucial to make the point about the power of entheogens compared to the sheer weakness of all drug-free methods absolutely clear and explicit, in order to *isolate* that special effect of entheogens for the purpose of analysis and model building, - ie what is it, specifically and...
  36. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    Psychedelic drugs are the only ergonomic tools for triggering intense psychedelic experiences reliably, controllably 'on-tap' you may have DMT in your brain all the time, but you cant 'use' it to have a dmt trip, to do that you need to ingest DMt from outside Also Ken Wilber may have had these...
  37. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    LSD gives everybody who uses it immediate, repeatable, reliable, safe, controllable (etc.) access to mindblowing psychedelic altered states of consciousness, meditation doesnt do this, that is all i am saying the *immediate* result of ingesting psychedelic plants and chemicals is a psychedelic...
  38. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    i didnt attribute that claim to you either You suggested that psychedelic tripping ought to make people more intelligent, and that therefore because some 'idiots' take psychedelics, that therefore taking psychedelics doesnt really make people trip reliably, - at least that is what i understood...
  39. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    A more relevant question is: Would he continue using LSD after it was made illegal, if he knew it would completely destroy his career and his life to do so? Grof is very open and honest about this in his more recent books, the only reason he stopped openly using LSD in his research was because...
  40. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    Psychedelics give reliable, repeatable, controllable access to the intense psychedelic state of consciousness, that has nothing to do with intelligence, tripping doesnt make you more intelligent, - stupid people can take drugs and trip just as smart people can take drugs and trip
  41. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    the enlightened mind has ceased to identify itself with the mortal ego (one of the core characteristics of ego, is the belief in the inevitability of eventual demise), it is in this sense 'immortal', ie it stops *literally* believing in its own mortality
  42. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    LOL :lol: , all im doing is perpetually clarifying this concept of 'ego death' (and more generally the whole concept of 'psychedelia')for anyone who cares enough to read what im saying. I understand ego death and i'm very keen to communicate my understanding to other people, and very often...
  43. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    All 200 of them will have a psychedelic trip, ie they will all temporarily experience the psychedelic altered state of consciousness The important point is, you could not possibly recreate that ^ scenario (ie 200 people, all having intense mind-bending experiences at the same time) by any other...
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    General question regarding Ego Death

    Ego death is a specific transformation in a person's thinking (it is not just 'any' experience which changes a person's life), it is the stage in a person's life when they go from being a naive, unenlightened, pre-psychedelic thinker to an enlightened 'psychedelic thinker' as a result of...
  45. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    it depends what you mean by 'non-egoic state', if you mean 'ego death' (ie total dissolution of cognitive structures leading to radical worldmodel revision, a life-changing transcendent experience), that can be practically accessed by taking entheogens. That experience is entirely different from...
  46. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    Yes if you think of ego as the basic sense/feeling/experience of 'being a person', then it is an absolute constant during ordinary waking consciousness (ie almost all of the time), you are ALWAYS yourself, except when you are tripping hard and your basic sense of stable self-identity entirely...
  47. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    Ego is essentially a 'mental structure', it normally retains its stability whilst in the ordinary state of consciousness, but in the psychedelic state of consciousness, it has the potential to go unstable, sometimes radically so (ego can fail catastrophically to remain stable). Altered-state...
  48. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    Dont trust anything i say just do a bit of reading, - there are hundreds of detailed trip reports of people's entheogenic ego death/rebirth experiences on the internet which clearly illustrate what 'ego death' means and involves, especially in erowid's trip report vaults. It is very useful...
  49. M

    General question regarding Ego Death

    You will find all the information you need about ego death and transcendence/enlightenment at http://www.egodeath.com, Michael Hoffman's cybernetic theory of ego death..... it can be both terrifying and enlightening, these are certainly not mutually contradictory, in fact the reason that it is...
  50. M

    How do you smoke your cannabis?

    VOLCANO!!!! most amazing way to smoke cannabis :D
  51. M

    Can a psychonaut be a psychonaut without drugs?

    precisely because it symbolises the psychedelic trip experience, which is (as we all know) very deep, meaningful and fascinating ALL religion and mythology, not just hinduism, is pointing to and describing the psychedelic trip experience
  52. M

    Can a psychonaut be a psychonaut without drugs?

    No the issue here is that you don’t have a clear concept of ‘mind’ (psyche) Psychonaut means ‘explorer of mind’, psychedelic means ‘mind-manifestation’, the mind must be made manifest before it can be explored, in the non-psychedelic state of consciousness, the mind is not manifest, it is...
  53. M

    Can a psychonaut be a psychonaut without drugs?

    psychedelic drugs are the only tool/technique/practise which allow easy and convenient access to the intense psychedelic altered state of consciousness (ie tripping). Without the drugs, this specific experience is practically inaccessible, there is no way you can have a powerful, temporary...
  54. M

    Can a psychonaut be a psychonaut without drugs?

    there is no difference, these 2 issues are essentially equivalent replace the word 'mystical' with the word 'psychedelic' and the same thing is still true, it is practically impossible to trigger psychedelic (mystical) experiences on demand without drugs The connection between the psychedelic...
  55. M

    Terrifying Trip

    that's from egodeath.com, the whole article about metaperception is here: http://www.egodeath.com/BubbleOfSimulation.htm
  56. M

    Can a psychonaut be a psychonaut without drugs?

    It is certainly *possible* to have mystical experiences without drugs but the concept of possibility is a matter of degree and ergonomics. Drug-free mystical experiences are rare, fleeting, mild, and difficult to trigger, whereas by contrast, by taking drugs these experiences are commonplace...
  57. M

    Can a psychonaut be a psychonaut without drugs?

    These ^ 3 experiences you describe are all fairly commonly experienced in the psychedelic altered state of consciousness, and only very rarely experienced in the sober state again, none of the other known entheogens are endogenous besides DMT, this is not a point to be disputed, check your facts
  58. M

    Can a psychonaut be a psychonaut without drugs?

    this is irrelevant to what i am saying, because the fact is you are utterly dependant on the plants to have ANY kind of experience, not just the spiritual/trippy ones, the green plants give you every breath of oxygen (which is a material substance just like drugs are), so therefore we are all...
  59. M

    Can a psychonaut be a psychonaut without drugs?

    DMT is the only one of the classic entheogens which is produced endogenously, and even though DMT is present in small amounts in the blood etc, that certainly does not imply that it is possible to have a DMt trip on command, the only way to have any kind of drug-experience on command, including...
  60. M

    Can a psychonaut be a psychonaut without drugs?

    You should read Huxley - Doors of perception, he explains the whole concept of psychedelia (mind-manifestation), this is the whole point of why these drugs were labelled 'psychedelic', and the experiences they trigger 'psychedelic trips'. This is a way of contrasting the ordinary...
  61. M

    Can a psychonaut be a psychonaut without drugs?

    It is one specific subset of 'altered states' that is relevant to mind-exploration, - ie psychedelic states. The entheogens trigger intense psychedelic state experiences automatically whenever they are ingested in sufficient quantities
  62. M

    Can a psychonaut be a psychonaut without drugs?

    not 'no drugs = no spirituality' rather: 'no drugs = no mindblowing psychedelic experiences' you need drugs in order to trip you can be happy without tripping! It isnt the source of happiness that lies outside of your body, rather it is the source of psychedelic trip experiences that lies...
  63. M

    Can a psychonaut be a psychonaut without drugs?

    psychonautism is about exploring the mind, and psychedelic drugs are the (mind-manifesting) tools that open up the mind for exploration during a psychedelic trip, the mind becomes manifest as an object of perception, and therefore psychedelia (ie intense tripping) is a pre-requisite for...
  64. M

    Can a psychonaut be a psychonaut without drugs?

    it's the same with smoked salvia, it doesnt last long enough to effect permanent mental transformation A 5-hour ayahuasca trip on the other hand can certainly be a thoroughly life-changing experience
  65. M

    Can a psychonaut be a psychonaut without drugs?

    when i say 'access the mystical realm' i just mean 'trigger the intense psychedelic state of consciousness', ie the state of consciousness in which the mind itself becomes a manifest object of perception and there are no other ways to do this besides taking drugs, ie listening to music (or...
  66. M

    Can a psychonaut be a psychonaut without drugs?

    There are numerous techniques that are often put forward as drug-free alternatives to entheogens for causing psychedelic states of consciousness, aswell as breathwork there is also meditation, chanting, drumming yoga etc etc but when any of these techniques are compared to entheogens, they all...
  67. M

    Can a psychonaut be a psychonaut without drugs?

    without drugs it is practically impossible for most people to experience the kind of intense, mindblowing, consciousness-expanding altered states of consciousness which the entheogens provide 'on tap'. Drugs are an essential, indispensible tool for triggering transcendental cognitive dynamics...
  68. M

    Garden pics

    there's so many exciting plants to grow, mapacho tobacco, ayahuasca, mescaline cactus, opium poppy
  69. M

    Ego loss.

    This ^ is precisely the essence of ego death, it isnt as important that you were telling other people that you dont exist, most crucially, ego death happens when you tell yourself that you dont exist, and believe it. It is the most profound and intense experience that the mind can undergo, and...
  70. M

    Ego loss.

    there really isnt anything particularly ambiguous about ego death (and 'ego loss' or 'ego dissolution/disintegration, which afaik are just synonymous terms for the same experience), it is an experience which is fairly common among psychonauts, where you 'die' during a psychedelic trip session...
  71. M

    Movies to watch on psychedelics.

    'The Fountain' is a beautiful psychedelic movie
  72. M

    Breaking Convention: Notes from a Psychedelic Conference

    this conference was incredible!!!! I had the most amazing weekend, huge kudos to Dave King and the other organisers :)
  73. M

    Calling experienced psychonauts in the UK

    cool, i got mine done a few days ago at home, it's shaping up to be an interesting project, it shows that us psychonauts have pretty much nothing in common with each other (visually)
  74. M

    Calling experienced psychonauts in the UK

    tripping on entheogens and madness are both kinds of 'radically altered perspective', so if you were tripping all the time that is pretty much the same as being completely mad/insane
  75. M

    Calling experienced psychonauts in the UK

    dirk are you going to be in Fran's project? im looking forward to seeing it :)
  76. M

    Calling experienced psychonauts in the UK

    that is certainly the conclusion i came to, judging from the content of his forum postings :roll:
  77. M

    The evil's of Christianity.

    But if Jesus = psychedelic experience, surely that implies that Jesus ISNT (or wasnt) a person who lived 2000 years ago?
  78. M

    Negativity, and what to do with it.

    but is Jesus of the canonical bible a particular human being? Is the bible a historical document about real people (who exist separately from the bible)?
  79. M

    Negativity, and what to do with it.

    Schwankee who or what is 'Jesus the Supreme Being'? Is it a specific person? ie Jesus of Nazereth
  80. M

    "Organic foods have same nutrients as non"

    This is a vacuous strawman argument, - has anyone ever actually claimed that organic foods are more nutritious?
  81. M

    John Allegro's "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross" - a Gnost

    Allegro was SO far ahead of his time pointing out the psychedelic origins of christianity, and he wasnt even a tripper, you have to feel sorry for him with all the shit he got put through because of that book
  82. M

    Calling experienced psychonauts in the UK

    hey thanx for that Fran :D , that guy Lazarus sounded like a total weirdo, probably not the kind of person who should be experimenting with mind-bending substances :shock: See you soon
  83. M

    Psychedelic Podcasts

    i used to do a psychedelic podcast called 'Psychonautica', i havent released one in a while but hopefully il get back into that at some point anyway there's 82 episodes covering a wide variety of psychedelic subject matter, including lectures, interviews, music etc etc, you can download them...
  84. M

    Ego - Soul - God ???

    ALL religion and mythology can be interpreted as metaphorical description of psychedelic experience, especially ego death and psychological transformation
  85. M

    Can acid make you go insane?

    LSD can cause a mental state which is indistinguishable from insanity/schizophrenia, except there is one major difference - an LSD trip is TEMPORARY whereas typically, schizophrenia is an ongoing mental condition
  86. M

    On killing the ego

    This ^ is precisely what the experience of ego death essentially consists of, 'ego' is the 'thinker', so 'ego death' is just 'thinking that one has died'. It is a fairly common experience when people trip hard, to start thinking that you have died and will never return to ordinary consciousness...
  87. M

    Importance of Symbolism

    what is the difference between symbols and symbolism?
  88. M

    Who should use entheogens? - Leary, Huxley and Kesey

    yes i just mean 'intelligent', ie people with well-functioning brains
  89. M

    Who should use entheogens? - Leary, Huxley and Kesey

    i agree he had a marvelous way with words in describing these experiences (same with T. Mckenna), but he was also an incredible snob when it came to other people's use of entheogens i heard that one time someone said to him at a talk that they had taken mescaline themselves and hadnt...
  90. M

    LSD is the latest trend in Lebanon's drug scene

    yeah i suppose that's always an inherent risk in publicising entheogens, but that article made me really happy as it is well written and not some antidrugs bullshit, and i love to imagine loads of people tripping in such a conservative country
  91. M

    LSD is the latest trend in Lebanon's drug scene

    "It's like being part of a huge spiritual experience. When it hits you and you look around the room and realize that everyone is sharing it with you...that's what it means to me." With these words, a waifish university student summed up what it means to be in on one of Beirut's best-kept drug...
  92. M

    Who should use entheogens? - Leary, Huxley and Kesey

    it is interesting to compare the views of Tim Leary, Aldous Huxley and Ken Kesey regarding the issue of who should be using entheogens in the society Huxley - ultra-elitest view, only creative and social-elites should use entheogens such as poets, writers, scientists, artists etc. Leary -...
  93. M

    On killing the ego

    there is no such thing as 'zen ego death' (ie there isnt a certain type of ego death that is specifically 'zen', just ask google) and it makes no sense to say that i 'dismissed zen', zen is a system of religious philosophy, it is just as valid as all the others yes exactly, ego death a...
  94. M

    On killing the ego

    There is no doubt that there is a phenomenon which people commonly refer to as a 'bad trip', you might not think that the term 'bad trip' is an appropriate description of this phenomenon, but that is an entirely distinct claim from saying that the phenomenon itself doesnt exist. You acknowledge...
  95. M

    On killing the ego

    Everybody is scared of dying, that is what the 'Saw' movies are all about. Remember the hungry lion example, if you saw a hungry lion running towards you, you would invariably become terrified. No amount of 'acceptance' is going to change that, we are all programmed to protect our own lives, and...
  96. M

    On killing the ego

    The entire book is about the experience of consciousness after death, the passage i quoted shows that this experience is not all about peace and blissfullness. There is a problem of terminology because Leary never talks about an 'ego death experience', rather he talks about the 'point' of ego...
  97. M

    On killing the ego

    it isnt "just panic", more specifically it is panic at the prospect of dying or going permanently crazy or being stuck forever in limbo etc the fear/panic is an integral aspect of the ego death experience, but it isnt the entire experience itself. The entire experience can be summed up/defined...
  98. M

    Calling experienced psychonauts in the UK

    Dude calm down there is no need for paranoia, i was talking about my flatmate, not you, this is why i said "my flatmate" and not "Lazarus" in the bit you quoted I dont know anything about you, except that you are a slightly paranoid and upset poster named 'Lazarus' who recently started posting...
  99. M

    On killing the ego

    This ^ is false, as the following quote from Leary's 'Tibetan book of the dead' clearly illustrates. Leary, just like every other psychedelic theorist, agrees that ego death is a terrifying bad trip: "Dominating this ecstatic state is the feeling of intense love. You are a joyful part of all...
  100. M

    There is no "Why?"

    why am i asking this question?

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