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I bought some white "Cielo" Caapi, Chacruna, and Mimosa from maya-ethnobotanicals and just received the plants. I've never made the brew before, but am very excited to try. This is something I have wanted to experience for a long time. I have a few recipes, but am unsure which is the best. Can anyone suggest a recipe that will give me a very intense trip? Can you mix mimosa hostillis and psychotria viridis together? Any info will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Read Heartcore's thread "Aya Questions" in the aya/dmt forum for prep advice.

Sure, you can mix mimosa and viridis together, I've never done it but it sounds fun.

The Raiders suck.
One thing from me-mimosa tea is like soft shit in cup. So ugly taste that for me is more distasteful than artemesia abshintium tea.
Yeah, that's the thing about mimosa; it's cheaper but it tastes like sucking shit out of a tree.

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"sucking shit out of a tree" ??


now, there's a phrase that might keep me away from it :fball: !
Brewmaster a écrit :Yeah, that's the thing about mimosa; it's cheaper but it tastes like sucking shit out of a tree.

Jesus, Alah, Jahve, and other gods- that ugly taste I will never forget. And my toilete also
Brewmaster a écrit :Read Heartcore's thread "Aya Questions" in the aya/dmt forum for prep advice.

Sure, you can mix mimosa and viridis together, I've never done it but it sounds fun.

The Raiders suck.

I thought I might take some shit for that. Please tell me you're not a Broncos fan.
Redskins.

I'm no better than you Frown


Daytripper, not literal shit, just tree shit. It's loaded with tannins, the stuff that makes your mouth feel funny, like biting into an acorn or the skin of a grape. It does taste bad but it's more the way it feeeeels. It's weird.
remove the tannins with a white egg or gelatine from the mimosa just before reducing the final potion. The resulting taste is nicer and easier to drink. The ratio is about 30% tannins, use the same weight of gelatine for a smoother brew..
But how much dry bark of mimosa hostillis are you taking. It is Big difference! 10grams can be harder and dryer tea, but drinkable.
But something like 50-60grams, (that is how much on real ceremony took Indians from South America. This dose IS metabolically and by my are giving opinion true experience with ego dissolution or 'Death of ego') Ego dissolution is disgusting brew cause 75% of consumers will puke out his/her soul. Seen it couple times before.

Aim stoned, so sorry if this is weird written. FUBAR 8)
Brewmaster a écrit :Yeah, that's the thing about mimosa; it's cheaper but it tastes like sucking shit out of a tree.

Wow. I'm definitely looking forward to that. I've yearned to taste shit for many moons.
Goran.Hrsak a écrit :But how much dry bark of mimosa hostillis are you taking. It is Big difference! 10grams can be harder and dryer tea, but drinkable.
But something like 50-60grams, (that is how much on real ceremony took Indians from South America. This dose IS metabolically and by my are giving opinion true experience with ego dissolution or 'Death of ego') Ego dissolution is disgusting brew cause 75% of consumers will puke out his/her soul. Seen it couple times before.

Aim stoned, so sorry if this is weird written. FUBAR 8)

Can anyone recommend a great recipe and suggest proportions? I've never done this before so I really don't know much. I've been trying to do research online and I'm currently reading The Spirit Molecule to help me get a better understanding of the experience. Since I want to mix Mimosa with Chacruna, what kind of proportion would be able to get me to hyperspace? Any tips on brewing? I have whole caapi, so I'm not sure of the best way to chop it up. I know it needs to be pretty fine. HELP!!!!! Anybody in the Los Angeles area who has experience brewing, wanna help a dude out? Thanks for your patience. Happy Trails...
Citation :Ego dissolution is disgusting brew cause 75% of consumers will puke out his/her soul. Seen it couple times before.

Puking is due to a soapy residu in the brew, being there because of incompetence of the person who made the brew. Appearently, there are so many incompetent brewer out there, that the vomiting/sickness has become a myth where people now believe the sicker you get, the deeper you go.

Not true Wink
Throwing out is due to clensing, or so I've been told,
and realy, in all the rituals I've participated, some people
puke more than others , while others do not,
seems like the trowing out is a body response when the mind
refuse to "let go" something.

p.s.the taste of the Jurema is almost nice, the taste of the caapi and especialy the taste of the harmala are the" hard to swallow" part..

ontopick-
When cooking the Jurema brew, a layer of stisky resin forms on the surface of the tea. Do not bother this layer during the kookin, because it prevents the DMT of evoporation.
when finishing the cooking you can take out this layer with a stick.
It's like black resin or glue , which hardens when cooling down, and it's very good medicine for teeth problems
[quote="patilan420"]Throwing out is due to clensing, or so I've been told,
and realy, in all the rituals I've participated, some people
puke more than others , while others do not,
seems like the trowing out is a body response when the mind
refuse to "let go" something.


Yes, yes! :wink: You are a shaman or witchdoctor so it is normal ritual of taking Ayahus in Bulgaria for cleaning self from evil spirits, spells, curse or just as recharging 'mana' -LOL.(SORRY BOUT SARCASAM)
Europeans are in 95% of time just trying to feel stoned and tripping.
Sorry again i you are shaman or practising such religion/believes.
patilan420 a écrit :Throwing out is due to clensing, or so I've been told,
and realy, in all the rituals I've participated, some people
puke more than others , while others do not,
seems like the trowing out is a body response when the mind
refuse to "let go" something.

I just wrote above you that this is appaerently a myth and puking is mainly because of improper brewing. At least, thats what I;ve been told by someone who supposedly knows his shit.

Citation :p.s.the taste of the Jurema is almost nice, the taste of the caapi and especialy the taste of the harmala are the" hard to swallow" part..

Jurema nice? Omg are we talking about the same thing here?

Citation :ontopick-
When cooking the Jurema brew, a layer of stisky resin forms on the surface of the tea. Do not bother this layer during the kookin, because it prevents the DMT of evoporation.
when finishing the cooking you can take out this layer with a stick.
It's like black resin or glue , which hardens when cooling down, and it's very good medicine for teeth problems

Where did you find out about dmt evaporating?

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i already thought of that, but i'm not sure...does the dmt evaporate if the water boils ?
daytripper a écrit :i already thought of that, but i'm not sure...does the dmt evaporate if the water boils ?

Well when you brew ayahuasca, one part of the brewing is boiling down a big quantity of water into a drinkable amount. If DMT would evaporate, this wouldnt work so hence my question Smile
Nobody has responded to my question about proportions or brewing advice. Anything would be appreciated. I'm going to try and brew this weekend. Like I said, I have 100 grams of "Cielo" Caapi, 50 grams Chacruna, and 25 grams Mimosa. Help a brotha out!!!!!!
red_blue_green a écrit :Nobody has responded to my question about proportions or brewing advice. Anything would be appreciated. I'm going to try and brew this weekend. Like I said, I have 100 grams of "Cielo" Caapi, 50 grams Chacruna, and 25 grams Mimosa. Help a brotha out!!!!!!

Yes somebody did... Brewmaster refered you to Heartcores thread in the first reply to your post. I f you cant find it: http://www.psychonaut.com/index.php?opt ... 05&lang=nl
I did read that, but it gives advice on Chaliponga not Chacruna. Are the proportions the same for both? Also, if I add mimosa to the mix, how much should I use of that? Thanks
DMT does not evaporate at cooking temperatures , it is also very stable so the cooking process does it little or no damage . There is less than no reason to cover it with any thing when you are boiling it down , you want the exess water to evaporate off . You should , if possible , be making it in a preasure cooker . I dont use any acids any more as when you boil it down it can get very sour wich upsets peoples stomaches . The people in the jungle in south america dont add acids . I think the plants contain enough . A lot of people get sick because of the fat content , wich can go rancid if not kept in a fridge . If you put it in a fridge at - 20°C and wait till it freezes you can turn it upside down and let it drip off and throw it away . Its a bit hard to do though as it looks exactly the same colour as the DMT mixture . But i know it works because the dose after you do it still gives you the same trip . I tasted the fat that ran off but i didnt try it as it didnt taste like it contained any DMT . If you have a seperatory funnel you can also try adding cooking oil to the brew , shake it for ages and ages , and then let it separate and let the water / lower part flow out , saving the water . I`ve seen and taken some original daime that had been allowed to stand for ages . It had cleared up , the bits had sunk to the bottom and it was the colour and texture of good sherry . I find that ayahuasca tastes like a mixture of sherry , whisky and chocolate . Exept mimosa hostilis wich i think tastes realy shity , like germaline . The dose for Mimosa Tenuflora = hostilis is 12 grams of dry root bark .

A dose of dry Psychotica Viridis leaves is 25 - 30 grams . With 3 - 4 grams of Peganum Harmala , or 14 grams of Banisteropsis Caapi according to "The encyclopedia of psychoactive plants" by Christian Rätsch . As i bought my Banisteropsis Caapi the seller told me 100 gramms is a dose . I think it is better not to mix things , that its better to try them seperatly . Its also better to cook several doses together in case the first one you take is not big enough and / or you want to make the experience longer . If you want to be realy stomach friendly use distilled water . If you neeed help growing Chacruna ask me and i will help you . Chacruna drops leaves every time you do anything to it , water it or move it . One plant is not realy a proposition for getting loads of trips off , its more a twice or three times a year treat . If you live near me i can sell you live Chacruna plants , i dont post them. If you live in a warm part of the world try growing Acacia Maidenii , seeds can be bought cheaply from holland . Look in the internet for addresses . It needs temperatures above 15°C . It`s a tree and it grows like a rocket , its BIG and drops lots of leaves . The best way to grow it is to swallow the seeds and the shit them all around the garden . THAT WAS NOT A JOKE . They have extra hard skins as they get spread by animals who have eaten them . Usualy you are told to drop them in nearly boiling water , or cut the skin open with a knife , to make them germinate . Some of them dont grow strait away , it has taken some of mine 5 years in the ground before they germinated . 25 -30 grams is a dose + MAOI .

LOVE GOD
I was a bit surprised to hear people wanted to get rid of the tanin in ayahuasca as i was under the impression that tanin neutralises fats and toxins, soaks them up , binds them . I also have it in my head that tanin stops you being sick ? Thats one of the reasons people are advised to drink black tea when they feel sick , because of the tanin content ? So i had to clear my head up , sleep a bit and come down to make sure i got this right .

The things that we want to get out of our ayahuasca / analog have an electric charge . Tanin has a negativ charge . When you mix gelatine or chicken protein with it , both positively charged , in the same amounts , they neutralise each other , form a lump and drop to the bottom . If you dont want to use dead / murdered animals there are also things you can get from a wine makers shop that are not deadly for your karma . You some times see people take an egg , a boiled egg or break an egg and put it in coffee . It soaks the crap up and makes cheap / bad coffee taste like good coffee . So if you add tanin to something it cleans it up !!!

To get rid of slime , that is usualy positively charged , you add TANIN , agar-agar , kiesel oil or bentonit , wich have negative charges . They neutralise each other , form a lump and drop to the bottom .

Coloids usualy have a neutral charge . So you usualy add TANIN , agar-agar , kiesel oil or bentonit ,first to change the charge of the ayahuasca to negative . Then afterwards you add gelatine or chicken protein io it to change the charge to positive . This causes the neutral coloids to sink to the bottom with the lumps of gunk from the other two steps .

Doing things like this with small amounts is dificult , its better to make at least a few liters .

I once added to much vitamin C to my cooking mixture and got ..... hand fulls .... of crystals . About a big soup bowl full . I went and asked the lokal chemist and he said it was probably galic or oxalic acid crystals and that i should be carefull with it . = If you dont know what it is throw it away . I threw it away .

It`s also , MUCH , easyer to filter ayahuasca before you boil it down , but it takes AGES . The wine shop has paper ,textile filters and water driven / electric vacume filters especialy made to filter these sort of things out of wine . Wine is not ayahuasca . DMT is not alcohol . Meaning , i think that it is possible that the agar-agar , gelatine might bind some of the water soluble things we want with the crap .

A wine makers shop is an eldorado for amateure chemists , and wine makers usualy like answering questions ( chemists to ) . Exept stupid ones ,so plan your lies in detail before you put your foot in it and let him know you are a "criminal" ??? The public library is also very good , especialy if you have no money . They order books that they have not got . I go to the university library and they are usualy prepared to answer dogy questions as long as you dont incriminate yourself or them . Its better to ask people when they are alone = no witnesses to exert group preasure or remind of sozial concience . For example , my chemist answers EVERY question i ask him when no one else is there , but as soon as othere people are there he shuts up or gives me negative answers . K.O.?

Have a good flight .


LOVE GOD
Thanks GOD. Some interesting info to digest. I have yet to brew but I plan on doing it soon.

Peace
I suppose that as the tanin is already in the ayahuasca it has bound itself with the fat / toxins . = the tanin gunk does make you sick . But not tanin on its own .

LOVE GOD
(09/03/2007 19:39)Brewmaster a écrit : [ -> ]Yeah, that's the thing about mimosa; it's cheaper but it tastes like sucking shit out of a tree.

I came onto this forum with a question about this! I have a lot of experience with Aya and always liked the taste. We now made mimosa and it's not drinkable. It feels like drinking dry tree bark. Is this normal? Is there anything we can do to make it more smooth in the throat? It feels like it's too acidic and/or dry. It really isn't drinkable ...