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salvia divinorum & calea zacatechichi

bonzo

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2 weeks ago i had some of the most vivid dreams of my life after smoking one calea zacatechichi cigarette (dreamherb).
i found out on the net that calea lenghtens the REM-phase during sleep and lets one waking up immediately after the REM, and that's why that someone remembers his/her dreams easier.
now i had read before that salvia divinorum is somehow simulating REM-phase during full waking-state, so i decided to combine the two. i swallowed two 1g caps of calea because the tea is really disgusting, smoked one cigarette of it, and then started quid of 16 salvia leaves. didn't do much, but that's the very nature of salvia, isn't it. /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif
later i smoked some salvia leaves with calea in the bong and had a not so regular salvia-experience. as salvia is female and calea is male, it was like a divine penetration in the middle of my consciousness.
when i went to bed i had very vivid hypnagonic visions projected on my eye-lids. after enjoying this for a while i finally fell asleep, that night i had several weird lucid dreams, waking up after each dream i could remember almost all of it, write it down, and go to sleep again and just continueing where the dream stopped before,
in the morning i stood up very early and still i was rested.
there are few people who have tried this combination, and now i'm currious.
any volunteers in sharing this sort of experience-knowledge? /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
some caution : not for the weak ones! /forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 

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I will try for sure! I love salvia, and that combination must be something! Can I get calea anywere in the net?

Did you write your dreams? Maybe you could share them with us...
 

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interesting combination, maybe a good idea for a new herb joint?
 

Aerogel

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You ******* guys, could give it a try... then tell us!
I would love to try it!
 

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"No constituent with hallucinatory properties has as yet been isolated from C. zacatechichi."

damn
 

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They did'nt find anything in salvia 20 years ago, so I think we can trust in mexican shaman knowledge...

They show us many times that they know the real properties of plants like calea or others...
 

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thats true.

for exammple:
science didnt resolve yet the mechanism of the action of mdma on the brain, or cocaine.

the knowledge on amfetamine, canabis, is very new (5 years ago?).
same for opioids, it is very new that we know the pcp acts on sigma receptors as morphine does.

all the psychotropic drug molecules are amines or amides,
and they have quite simple formulas, less than 500g/mol.

the drugs receptors:
kappa
mu
sigma
nmda
dopaminergics (d1,d2)
adrenergics (alpha, beta)
bzd complex (gabba and calcium ?)
cholinergic place
serotonin place
barbiturics place
histamine place

and then ?

maybe there are more receptors, but maybe we already know them all!

shamans experiences are very interesting, but,
compared to our knowledge:

some people died because they took too much amfetamines.
scientist founded that beta-blockers could save there lifes.

then they founded that mdma makes the body temperature higher, so they used myorelaxings drugs.
then they founded that dmt produces some similars effects:
myorelaxings drugs worked too!

maybe some shamans died after dmt intoxication.
myorelaxing drug could save them.

thats why i'd love to know what does calea contain.

***see ya***
 

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Most drugs are pretty harmless when you use them responsibly. It's a typical western thought to remedy irresponsible drug use with other drugs. If you don't want harmful side effects, you should use your drugs responsibly. This is the lesson shamans offer us. Their drug use is based on centuries of experience and can therefor be qualified as responsible. Western drug fiends usually don't get the point and use the drug to gain pleasure. I'm not saying they can't use just to achieve pleasure, but it comes with certain consequences if moderation is not kept. Fighting these consequences with other drugs can hardly be called a solution. That's why we should learn from shamans. We learn to use the drugs responsibly and thus avoid the nasty consequences.
 

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quiet a beast of a post, but here it is for those wanting to read :
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Calea Zacatechichi, Dream Herb
Journal of Ethnopharmacology 18 (1986) 229-243 Elsevier Scientific
Publishers Ireland Ltd
PSYCHOPHARMACOLOGIC ANALYSIS OF AN ALLEGED
ONEIROGENIC PLANT: CALEA ZACATECHICHI

Lilian MAYAGOITIA. Jose-Luis DIAZ and Carlos M. CONTRERAS

Departamenta de Psicobiologia y Cunducto, Instituto Mexicano de
Psiquiatria, Antiguo

Camino a Xochimilco 101, San Lorenzo Huipulco Tlalpan 14370 y
Departamento de Fisiologia. Instituto de Investigaciones Biomedicas, Universidad Nacional
Autonoma de Mexico, Apartado Postal 70228. Ciudad Universitaria, Coyoacan 04510
(Mexico, D.F.)

(8 octobre 1986)


Resume

Calea zacatechichi is a plant used by the Chontal Indians of Mexico to
obtain divinatory messages during dreaming. At human doses, organic
extracts of the plant produce the EEG and behavioral signs of somnolence
and induce light sleep in cats. Large doses elicit salivation, ataxia.
retching and occasional vomiting. The effects of the plant upon cingulum
discharge frequency were significantly different from oneirogenic
drugs (ketamine, quipazine, phencyclidine and SKF-10017). In
human healthy volunteers, low doses of the extracts administered in a
double-blind design against placebo increased reaction time end time-lapse
estimation. A controlled nap sleep study in the same volunteers showed
that Calea extracts increased the superficial stages of sleep and the
number of spontaneous awakenings. The subjective reports of dreams
were significantly higher than both placebo and diazepam, indicating an
increase in hypnagogic imagery occurring during superficial sleep stages.

Introduction

Dreams are important in mesoamerican cultures. They are believed to
occur in a realm of suprasensory reality and, therefore, are capable of
conveying messages (Lopez-Auatin. 1980). The use of plant preparations in
order to produce or to enhance dreams of a divinatory nature constitutes
an ethnopharmacological category that can be called "oneiromancy" and
which justifies rigorous neuropharmacological research.
There are several plants used in Indian communities of Mexico to obtain
divinatory messages from dreams. Several puffball mushrooms
(Lycoperdon spp.), wrongly reported as hallucinogens (Ott et al., 1975),
are eaten fresh by Mixtec Indians before going to bed in order to dream (Diaz,
1975. 1979). Nahuatl Indians from the Sierra de Puebla use an as yet
unidentified species of Salvia, known by the name of Xiouit, for the same
purpose (T. Knab, pers. commun.). The plant known as Bacana to the
Tarahumara Indians, which has been reported to be an analgesic,
antipsychotic and divinatory agent(Bye. 1979), was later found to be
employed for dreaming during night sleep (William Merrill, pers.
commun.). Finally, Calea zacatechichi Schl. (Compositae) is used in the
same context by the Chontal Indians of Oaxaca.
C. zacatechichi is a plant of extensive popular medicinal use in Mexico
(Diaz. 1976). An infusion of the plant (roots. leaves and stem) is employed
against gastrointestinal disorders, as an appetiser,cholagogue, cathartic.
antidysentry remedy, and has also been reported to be an effective
febrifuge. With other aromatic Compositae, dry C. zacatechichi is used as
insecticide (Diet, 1975). There is also some information concerning
psychotropic properties of this plant that require further clarification
(Schultes and Hofmann, 1973).
The pioneer study on the appetiser properties of zacatechichi, conducted
at the Instituto Medico Nacional of Mexico, mentioned some psychotropic
effects (Sandoval, 1882). MacDougall (1968) reported that a Chontal
informant knew that the leaves of the plant were to be either smoked or
drunk as an infusion to obtain divinatory messages. Subsequent
interviews with MacDougall's informant and active participation in
ceremonial ingestion revealed that the plant is used for divination during
dreaming (Diaz, 1975). Whenever it is desired to know the cause of an
illness or the location of a distant or lost person, dry leaves of the plant
are smoked, drunk and put under the pillow before going to sleep.
Reportedly, the answer to the question comes in a dream. A collection of
interviews and written reports concerning the psychotropic effects of
these; preparations on 12 volunteers has been published (Diaz. 1975, 1979). Free,
reports and direct questioning disclosed a discrete enhancement of all
sensorial perceptions, an increase in imagery, mild thought discontinuity,
rapid flux of ideas and difficulties in retrieval. These effects were followed
by somnolence and a short sleep during which lively dreams were reported
by the majority of the volunteers. These preliminary observations
suggested that the psychotropic effects of the plant were similar to those
interesting from ethnobotanical. psychological and neuropharmacological
of the "cognodysleptic" drugs, whose prototype is Cannabis saltva
(Diaz, 1979). The possible effects upon dreaming are the most
perspectives .
C. zacatechichi is a shrub measuring 1-1,5 m in height. The plant has
many branches with oviform and opposite leaves (3-5 cm long and 2-4 cm
wide). The leaves show serrated borders, acute endings and a short petiole.
They are rugose and pubescent. The inflorescence is small and dense
(comprising around 12 flowers each) with the pedicels shorter than the
heads (Martinet, 1939). The plant grows from Mexico to Costa Rica in dry
savannas and canyons (Schultes and Hoffmann, 1973). The name of the
species comes from Nahuatl "zacatechichi" which means "bitter grass' and
is the common name of the plant all over Mexico. It is also known with the
Spanish names of "zacate de perro" (dog's grass), "hoja madre" (mother's
leaf) "hoja de dies" (Cod's leaf), and thle-pela-kano in Chontal Diaz, 1975).
Several sesquiterpene lactones had been isolated from the plant. Calaxin
and ciliarin were identified by Ortega et al. (1970), and the
germacranolides, 1B-acetoxy zacatechinolide and l-oxo zacatechinolide, by
Bohlmann and Zdero (1977). Quijano at al. (1977. 1978) identified
caleocromenes A and B and caleins A and B. while Ramos (1979) found
caleicins I and II. Herz and Kumar (1980) isolated acacetin, o-methyl
acacetin, zexbrevin and an analogue, as well as several analogues of
budlein A and neurolenin B, including calein A. C. zacatechichi samples
show differences in chemical composition, which has led Bohlmann et al.
(1981) to suggest that chemical taxonomy may help to reclassify the
genus. Further taxonomic work is required since our Chontal informant
distinguishes between "good" and "bad" varieties according to their
psychotropic properties.

In the present paper we report some properties of zacatechichi extracts
upon cat behaviour and EEG, human reaction time, nap EEG, and
subjective experiences.

Materials and methods

Plant collection and extract preparations:
"Good" samples of C. zacatechichi were collected under the guidance of
the Chontal informant near Tehuantepec, Oaxaca during November, 1978.
Specimens of this collection were identified by Dr. Miguel Angel Martinet
Alfaro at the National Herbarium of Mexico as C. zacatechichi despite the
Fact that there were minor morphological differences relative to previously
collected material. The samples were identical with collections made in the
area of the isthmus of Tehuantepec.
One kilogram of the dried plant (stem and leaves) was mashed and
extracted with hexane until exhaustion in a Soxhlet apparatus. This
fraction was dried and 308 of an solvent-free hexane extract were
obtained. The remaining material was thoroughly extracted with methanol
and the organic fraction evaporated. This procedure resulted in 86 g of a
solvent-free gummy residue called the methanol extract. Both extracts
were separated in fractions and packed in gelatin capsules for
pharmacological experiments. The dose was estimated in the following
manner: the human dose for divinatory purposes reported by the Chontal
informant is "a handful" of the dried plant. Since the mean weight of
many handfuls taken by several people was 60 g. we decided that the
average human dose (HD-1) is around 1 g/kg of dried-mashed material.
Therefore, the HD-1 for the hexane extract was 30 mg/kg, and 86 mg/kg for
the methanol extract. In the experiments with cats. doses of HD-2. -4. -6
and -10 of both extracts were used. The EEG effects of C. zacatechichi
extracts were compared with those elicited by phencyclidine (Bio-ceutic
Laboratories), quipazine (Miles Research Products),ketamine (Parke
Davis) and SKF-10047 (Smith Kline B French), and industrial solvent
toluene which can produce the appearance of 6 cps spike and wave
activity in the cingulum of cats. During the appearance of this
electrographic activity,animals show oneiromimetic behaviour (Conteras
et al.. 1979, 1984).

Behavioral toxicology in cats

This first experiment was performed in order to assess the possible toxic
behavioral effects of C. zacatechichi extracts. For this purpose three male
cats (3 kg each) were used. Observations were done from 1300 to 1500 h in
a sound-attenuated recording chamber (109 x 76 x 74 cm) with a triple-glass
wall. Each animal was placed in the cage and its behavior was recorded for
1 h prior to oral administration of a gelatin capsule (25 x 8 mm)
containing a zacatechichi extract and 2 h thereafter. Each capsule was placed inside
the mouth and swallowing was forced by giving 2-3 ml of saline solution.
The extracts (methanol or hexane) and doses (HD-1, HD-2. HD-4. HD-10)
were randomly assigned and tested only once. Two cats were observed
three times and the third animal twice. Between tests each animal was
allowed to rest for 6 days. Sampling ad libitum (Altmann. 1974) was used
to evaluate the cats' response. Attention was given to abnormal behaviors
such as ataxia, bizarre postures and movements directed to non-existing
objects (Fischer. 1969).

EEG activity in cats

Several common EEG effects to a series of oneiromimetic compounds
have been reported by Winters et al. (1972). A dissociative action in
multi-unitary activity between the reticular formation and basolateral
amygdala and a hypersynchronic rhythm (2-3 cpa) in cortical recording are
the two most characteristic features. Tracheal administration of
neurotoxic industrial solvents produce limbic discharges while cats display
"hallucinatory behavior" (Contreras et al., 1979). The following experiment
was designed to ascertain whether C. zacatechichi extracts share these
neurophysiological actions.
Six adult male cats were stereotaxically implanted with stainless steel
concentric bipolar electrodes in the basolateral amygdala, the septum and
cingulum according to the atlas of Snider and Niemer (1961). Epidural
electrodes were placed on the cortex at the marginal circumvolution. After
surgery the animals were allowed a & 1 week recovery period. Each cat was
used as its own control and the effects of oral administration of
zacatechichi extracts (HD-6) were compared to those of phencyclidine
(400 ug/kg i.m.), quipazine (10 mg/kg i.p.), ketamine (6 mg/kg i.m.) and
SKF-10047 (3 mg/kg i.m.). These drugs are dissociative psychodysleptics
and produce 6 cps wave-and-spike activity in cingulum recording in
addition to the characteristic hypersynchronic rhythm (Contreras at al.,
1984). In each experiment, control recordings were taken in addition to
t 60 min and + 120 min after drug administration.

Reaction Time and Time-lapse estimation in humans

Measurement of reaction time to a light flash and the ability to calculate
fixed lapse times in humans allows the identification of hypnotic
compounds (Fernandez-Guardiola et al., 1972). Objective evaluations of
time perception modification by marihuana have been achieved with the
same technique (Fernandez-Cuardiola et al., 1974). From the experiments
performed in cats it appeared that zacatechichi had hypnotic properties.
Therefore, we chose this experimental paradigm to evaluate human effects.
The study was performed in 5 healthy volunteers (3 women and 2 men.
ages 23-34) according to the procedure described by Fernandez-Guardiola
et al. (1972, 1974). The subjects were informed about the experiment and
the known effects of the plant and a written consent was obtained.
Capsules containing either a Calea extract (HD-1) or placebo were
administered 1 H before the task in a double-blind randomised design,
where neither the volunteers nor the evaluator knew which substance had
been ingested. The first session did not involve the administration of any
substance in order to habituate the subjects to the experimental
manipulations. Physiological responses recorded included EEG,
electromyogram, electrocardiogram, and galvanic akin response. All
sessions were done at the same time period (1700-1820 h). A complete
session consisted of alternated 10-min periods for reaction-time evaluation
and 10-min periods for time-lapse estimation. In the reaction-time periods.
the subjects were instructed to press a button with their dominant hand as
soon as possible after a light wee dashed. Intervals between consecutive
Bashes were of 10-s duration. In the following 10 min, alternating with the
reaction-time periods, the subjects were asked to estimate the dash
intervals by pressing the button each time they thought the light should
have been dashed. The entire test lasted 80 min. Analysis of variance was
used to assess results between and within individuals, the protected "t"
and Least Significant Difference tests were used in paired comparisons.

Sleep recordings in humans

The conventional procedure for EEG recording of sleep (Rechtschaffen
and hales. 1968) was used in a similar double-blind randomized design
which, in this case, included a low dose of an active hypnotic drug
(diazepam, 2·5 mg orally). In order to standardize the nap session, all
volunteers were asked to reduce their normal sleep time by 2 h the night
before testing. The extract, diazepam or placebo capsule was ingested 1 H
prior to the recording session (17-19 h). The physiological variables
recorded included respiratory and heart rates, number of nap episodes.
total time spent in wakefulness (W). in slow wave sleep stages (SWS stages
I to IV) and in rapid-eye-movement sleep (REM) (Rechtschaffen and Kales,
1968). The respiratory rate was recorded by means of a thermistor located
in the nostril and connected to a polygraph amplifier measuring the air
temperature in each inhalation-exhalation cycle. This is an indirect method
which provides the frequency and amplitude of respiratory rate. Data
analyses were done by means of factorial analysis of variance (ANOVA).
For paired comparisons, the Student Newman-Keuls test was used.

Dream reports

The psychological effects of Calea extracts were evaluated by the
application of directed questionnaires and analysis of free reports of the
subjective sensations and dreams in all human volunteers after the
reaction-time, nap sessions and the following night. Neither the subjects.
the interviewer nor the evaluator knew whether the individual had taken a
plant extract, diazepam, or placebo. The results were compared by the
binomial test.

Results and discussion

Behavioral toxicology in cats

Some minor behavioral changes were observed with low doses of both
extracts (HD-1 and HD-2). The cats stared for long periods of time and
30 min after the administration of the zacatechichi extracts somnolence
and sleep were frequently observed. The HD-4 and HD-1O doses of the
hexane extract produced ataxia, bilateral contractions of nasal and
maxillar muscles, and stereotyped pendulum head movements. The HD-10
dose also induced salivation with vomiting occurring about 90 min after
administration. The methanol extract produced ataxia (HD-4) and
compulsive grooming (HD-2). A common toxic effect of both extracts
(doses HD4 and HD-10) was retching and thick salivation.
It was not clear if these effects were elicited by direct central nervous
system stimulation or in response to local gastric irritation caused by
some bitter principle of the plant. This activity was noted by Giral and
Ladabaum (1959) and may be responsible for the appetiser properties of C.
zacatechichi. Stare and pendular head movements can be elicited by several
psychotropic drugs such as toluene (Alcaraz et al., 1977; Contreras et al.,
1977), quipazine (Sales et al.. 1966, 1968) and dopamine agonists (Ernst.
1967). These effects are,therefore, not specific for any one of the several
classes of psychotropic compounds. Moreover, staring and pendular head
movements may merely be indications of somnolence. In order to analyse
more precisely the neural effects, electrophysiological recordings were
taken in free-moving cats.

EEG activity in cats

Both plant extracts produced similar EEG changes which were very
different from the other drugs used(Fig. 1). The hexane extract induced 3
cps large voltage rhythms in the cortex, cingulum and septum while the
methanol extract provoked 8 slowing of the EEG rhythm more
predominant in subcortical structures. Somnolence was observed during
the appearance of these changes. A quantitative analysis of frequency of
discharge in the cingulum was performed for all drugs tested (Fig. 2). The
hexane extract produced only minor changes while the methanol extract
clearly decreased the frequency. This response is in contrast to the known
psychodysleptic compounds which produce decreases of 6-7 cps (Contreras:-
et al.. 1984).

The results of these experiments show that zacatechichi does not share
the neurophysiological effects of the dissociative psychodysleptics and
only induces the behavioral and EEG signs of somnolence and sleep. The
apparent low toxicity of the plant in these experiments and its history of
ethnobotanical use allowed us to ascertain the hypnotic potency, dream-
inducing effects and other psychotropic properties in human beings.

Reaction time and time-lapse estimation in humans

No differences among the three treatments were found for human
rate, galvanic skin response and EEG recordings. With the methanol extract, short periods of sleep (stage I) usually appeared between flash intervals, and the subjects were awakened by the light. Both extracts
produced a statistically significant slowness of reaction-time (Fig. 3):
250 ms with placebo, 280 ms with hexane extract and 290 ms with
methanol extract (P < 0.01). Similarly, the IO-s lapse was overestimated
with the zacatechichi extracts (Fig. 4). The methanol extract increased
estimation by 3 s on average (P < 0.001). Both extracts increased
respiratory rate, but this change was not significantly different from
controls.

The characteristic EEG slowness and the increased reaction times of
subjects treated with both extracts suggested that zacatechichi may
contain hypnotic compounds. Moreover, a larger effect was elicited by the
methanol extract suggesting that the active compounds might be found in
the polar fractions. An increase in time-lapse estimation and a weak
respiratory analeptic effects have been reported after marihuana
administration (Fernandez-Guardiola et al., 1974).

Sleep recordings in humans

Since the experiment just discussed did not allow an analysis of sleep
stages, the possibility of sleep and dream modifications by zacatechichi
was tested in a nap study conducted in the same human volunteers.
Heart rate, total time and frequency of each stage of sleep did not
change with any treatment in comparison to placebo (Fig. 5). However. it
was found that the frequency of W and SWS-IV stages were significantly
modified by treatments (W F(3,32)= 5.28, P < 0.01; SWS-IV F(3,32) = 3.35.

P<0.05). Post-hoc paired comparisons showed that, upon onset of sleep,
the methanol extract and diazepam increased significantly the frequency of
W stages (P < 0.05) when compared to placebo. In contrast, methanol
extract and diazepam decreased significantly (P < 0.05) the number of
SWS-IV stages. The other stages of sleep were not significantly modified
by treatments. SWS-I and SWS-II showed a light increase in comparison
to placebo and, in contrast, SWS-III and REM stages decreased slightly.
Respiratory rate was significantly modified by treatments (F(3,400)=
79.92, P < 0.005). Paired comparisons showed that the methanol extract
increased (P < 0.05) when compared to all other treatments (Fig. 6).
Although this small increase may lack physiological relevance, it does
suggest a pharmacological effect upon respiratory rate.

These results support the idea that zacatechichi extracts, particularly
the methanol fraction, contain compounds with activity equivalent to sub-
hypnotic diazepam doses. Ingestion of the plant produces a light hypnotic
state with a decrease of both deep slow-wave sleep and REM periods. The
question of the ethnobotanical use and open trial reports of dream
enhancement was studied in the following section by the evaluation of
subjective reports during the sleep study.

Dream reports

The quantitative results concerning hypnagogic imagery and dreams are
summarizsd in Table 1. Data from the reaction-time and the nap sessions
end the following night were pooled. Significantly more dreams (P < 001,
in comparison to placebo) were reported after the methanol extract.
Similarly, the number of dreams reported during naps was significantly
higher following the administration of the plant extracts than with
diazepam (P < 0.01). It can be appreciated that, although not significant,
the number of dreams reported was greater after the ingestion of Calea
extracts than placebo. A more detailed analysis of dream content is shown
in Table 2. The number of subjects that did not remember dreaming was
always greater after placebo and diazepam administration and, conversely,
the individuals that reported more than one dream per session were always
the ones treated with zacatechichi extracts. The dreams reported by
subjects ingesting Calea extracts, were of a shorter content (measured by
the number of lines written in the report). Spontaneous reports of
emotions and nightmares were not different among the four treatments.

Nevertheless, with the methanol extract more colors during dreaming were
mentioned .

These results show that zacatechichi administration appears to enhance
the number and/or recollection of dreams during sleeping periods. The data
are in agreement with the oneirogenic reputation of the plant among the
Chontal Indians but stand in apparent contradiction to the EEG sleep-
study results. It is well known that dreaming activity is correlated to the
REM or paradoxical phase of sleep (Aserinsky and Kleitman, 1953) and it
could be expected that a compound that increases dream would also

increase REM stage frequency or duration, as it has been shown to occur
with physostigmine (Sitaram et al., 1978). In contrast, zacatechichi
increases the stages of slow wave sleep and apparently decreases REM
sleep. This also occurs with low doses 12-10 mg) of diazepam (Harvey,
1982). Despite this similarity in EEG effects, diazepam decreases dreaming
reports (Firth, 1974) while zacatechichi extracts enhances them. Such
discrepancy may be explained by the fact that dreaming and imagery are
not restricted to the REM episodes but also occur during slow wave sleep
(SWS I and II) as lively hypnagogic images (Roffwarg et al., 1962). Such
images are reported as brief dreams and are known to be enhanced by
cannabis sativa (Hollister, 1971). All this suggests that Calea zacatechichi
induces episodes of lively hypnagogic imagery during slow wave stage I of sleep,
a psychophysiological effect that would be the basis of the ethnobotanical
use of the plant as an oneirogenic and oneiromantic agent.

Acknowledgments

The authors wish to express their gratitude to Dr. Alfredo Ortega for
advice in the preparation of the plant extracts.
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yes aerogel, i write down some of my most interesting dreams, just like i do with trips, but it was a greeck philosopher it think who once sayd : 'the fastest way to bore a wman is to tell hir your dream'... so, if you insists and want to get bored fast /forum/images/graemlins/snore.gif
 

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I am very familiar with other people's dreams. My mom always told me her dreams, and they are very very very strange, hehehe, and she never triped with drugs...

If you want, you can share your dreams with me (us)!
I swear I dont fall asleep!
 

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AeroGel, same here. My mother always told me her dreams and they were always very, very strange. Some scientists claim that this is hereditary. I think this is true for several reasons. First, my sister also has extremely weird dreams (I rarely remember my dreams, but I think this is because of frequent marijuana use). Secondly, recent research has shown that several censoring techniques used when dreaming (as described by Freud) are accomplished by the activity of different brain-regions. Since the way the brain works is partly hereditary, I think it's reasonable to accept that the way we dream is partly hereditary.

Some very interesting books on the subject of dreaming are written by neuro-psychoanalyst Mark Solms (e.g. 'The neuropsychology of dreaming'). They're hard to find books, but most university-libraries carry them. If you're interested in dreams, I suggest you check out those. 'Die Traumdeutung' bij Sigmund Freud is also a brilliant read, off course.
 

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Perhaps I will give it a look, but nowadays I am reading "The Doors of Perception".

Actually I dream a lot, when I fell destressed. My normal life is very tiring, with work and school and girlfriend and family... and I almost everyday when I get to bed is to sleep very deep... and because I'm always tired, I supose I dont dream as much as I used to.
But when I'm in holidays, they come again, and they are very very strange... eheheheh. I must learn more about it...
 

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Verry nice post Bonzo. This is the kind of research we are lokking for /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif When I finish my chemistry studies I will definetly synthesize some of the alkaloids present in calea /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif and do some 'personal' studies if yiu catch my drift -gna- -gna- /forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I have tryed calea and salvia both on a few occasions, but neither really made a big impression on me. I will try the combo some time, after a good salvia 10x hit /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 

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tnx, we need experienced people who wants to do chemical research in this unknown field because it's has been silent now for years. it's seems like today chemists are to busy with futil things in everyday farmacy (maffia) stuff. luckely we can count on the wisdom of other cultures (altough they don't have a chemical basis).

i've done some other tests with the combo and the effects are varieted in no or little effect or very weird dreamery.

(sorry for the typos, i'm little drunk) /forum/images/graemlins/pint.gif
 

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okay, i decided to give a little bit (not all) away of my first dream on calea. i have always had my doubts on reincarnation although i'm aware of incarnation on molecular level, but after this dream i really started to think that something is going on, i'm puzzled. it was also the first time ever that i dreamed i was another person.

sometime in i think it was 17-18 century, i was a girl (heh) about 16-17 years old on her first time job in one of those very elegant hookerhouses you sometimes see in old movies. big house, with big, turning stairs and a lot of rooms. i (she) was very nervous (what do you expect?), but the madam was a very nice person and had a calming voice, and the other girls very supportive, it felt like we were a team. i can't remember much of the client besides he was a rich one (doesn't seem very relevant anyway) but i very clearly remember the house, foreign money, the room, and the things that happened, (things i'm not going to tell here, doesn't seem to be the proper place on the net for pornographic stories /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif ).

although i have had very weird, lucid dreams in the past, this dream was one of the most vivid dreams i've ever had. it took me some weeks to settle it all a little bit down, but still i don't know what to think about it. past-life relivement or mad mental fantasy?
 
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