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#91
Please stop being abusive .

Please answer the questions you have been asked .
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#92
zezt a écrit :
GOD a écrit :Please can you use normal type .

"IF you think that it can only ever be money and power that gives authenticity, and spirit, then yer fucked."

Nobody has said that . Thats what you seem to have taken from whats been said .

Citation :What do you mean by look ? Why do you think you are looking and others here arent ? And how can anyone do a credible investigation when they havent got the legal right to do it .

Because all you are doing really is talkin ABOUT. You are not actually LOOKING at the videos like other investigators are. You are dreaming of some other thing. Some vague idea of a 'reopening of investigation'. Just another way of not-looking. Of burying your head in the sand.



[quote:38ynlnjj]"9/11 was definately one of the biggest psy ops. "

Prove it .

That is what we are trying to do. But unfortunately many people do not even bother to give time to LOOK at what is being investigated. They are too subservient to AUTHORITY. To an idea that daddy gonna sort it out. Instead of getting togther right now and investigating. Taking that power for ourselves. Not relying on a corrupt authority. This is not to disclude other people having more power taking this on. But it is important this is coming from grassroots!

[quote:38ynlnjj]"So what are you gonna do"

what are you doing that has a chance of sucess ?

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Investigating, speaking out. Sharing the information openly. All this is DOING.
IF a corrrupt group believe they can do what they want, and people do nothing, and wait around for their cronies to 'do something', well that is gonna make them laugh with gratitude. But if they realize people are on their case, then that is a good good thing.
There is talk that these globalists dream is to implant us with mindcontrolling technology. Now, when that day comes knockin on your door. YOU saying 'No!' IS doing something---do you agree? But it is BETTER that we get wise to their games NOW before it gets to that.
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
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#93
My opinion :- What you say you want to achieve and what you do dont fit together . You are your biggest problem and worst enemy . I see nothing realistic , positive or constructive in what you are saying . You couldnt do more to help george bush and prevent a new impartial inquiery if you were payed . To me you come across as abusive , mentaly confused , paranoid and hysterical .

You quote two videos that apear , at least to non video experts like us , to show two different things . You cant prove what you say about the videos . You cant prove if one or both videos are fakes . You cant prove wich one is real and wich one not , if either is real . All you have said is that videos can be faked and then presented your favorit one as "proof" that the other is fake .

You havent explained why the thousands of people that must have beeen involved havent come forwards and said anything .

Holographic technology has been mentioned that doesnt exist and would be imposssible to carry out withiout very many people knowing about it . It would take masses of power . Operators . Many massive lazers and sound projectors that would have needed to be positioned at least in a 180° half circle around the world trade center on roofes with an open view of the planes tragectory and the twin towers . You havent expplained how those projectors could have been transported into the city and lifted onto and positioned on the roofs .

Energy weapons have been mentioned . Where were they ? Why didnt anyone notice them ? Who transported , positioned and operated them ?

The holographic projectors , sound projectors and the energy weapons would need very much energy , where would it come from ? From plugs in peoples living rooms ?

Why havent you drawn the marsians , batman or the silver surfer into your story ? Everyone knows that they have the power to do those things .


If i were you i would calm down , start thinking rationaly , stop being abusive and stop destroying your own argument.

From now on i will only take part in this thread when someone says something rational and/or when the simple questions that have been asked over and over again are sensibly answered .
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#94
GOD a écrit :My opinion :-
Citation : What you say you want to achieve and what you do dont fit together . You are your biggest problem and worst enemy . I see nothing realistic , positive or constructive in what you are saying . You couldnt do more to help george bush and prevent a new impartial inquiery if you were payed . To me you come across as abusive , mentaly confused , paranoid and hysterical .

What I want to achieve IS what I say. Which is to expose the perps arses.
I see you as the biggest enemy because you try and kill peoples spirits who care about what is happening, without offering any alterantive.
You criticize but dont offer--just some vague 'lets wait for a new investigation...? errr how long like?!
Explain, how does what I am doing help Bush and prevent a 'new impartial inquiry'? What EXCATLY do you mean? How do I know less en you make effort to communicate
"To me you come across as abusive , mentaly confused , paranoid and hysterical " Well dudey, my experience of YOU in the past could well use them words to. So look in the mirror when ya says that!


[quote:3pqxw7a2]You quote two videos that apear , at least to non video experts like us , to show two different things . You cant prove what you say about the videos . You cant prove if one or both videos are fakes . You cant prove wich one is real and wich one not , if either is real . All you have said is that videos can be faked and then presented your favorit one as "proof" that the other is fake .


WHICH two videos are you talking about? Make an effort. Tell me what playtime on the video you mean? Let me guess--you mean the ones where on one we see a 'plane' crash into the south tower and on the other video thers no plane seen? THAT one?

Citation :You havent explained why the thousands of people that must have beeen involved havent come forwards and said anything .


If you have been involved in this would YOU step foreward? Get me? As I understand it, there are people on the periphery of this major psy op, being played themselves, and real insiders in the know making vast profits from it.

For example in the weeks before 9/11 there was massive insider trading going on:

"In the days leading up to the 9-11 attacks, a record number of stocks, hundreds of millions of dollars worth, from the companies that would be devastated on September 11, such as United and American airlines, were sold off. A jump in UAL put options were 90 times (not 90 percent) above normal between Sept. 6 and Sept.10, and 285 times higher than average on the Thursday before the attack. A jump in American Airlines put options 60 times (not 60 percent) above normal on the day before the attacks. No similar trading occurred on any other airlines. This was a big news story for a couple of days after 9-11, but it suddenly and mysteriously dissappeared. ABC World News reported on Sept. 20, 2001 "Jonathan Winer, an ABC News consultant said, 'it's absolutely unprecedented to see cases of insider trading covering the entire world from Japan, to the U.S., to North America, to Europe." How much money was involved? Andreas von Bulow, a former member of the German Parliament responsible for oversight of Germany's intelligence services estimated the worldwide amount at $15 billion. Not a single U.S. or foreign investigative agency has announced any arrests or developments in the investigation of these trades, the most telling evidence of foreknowledge of the attacks. This, in spite of the fact that former Security and Exchange Commission enforcement chief William McLucas told Bloomberg News that regulators would "certainly be able to track down every trade." They found exactly where the trail was leading, then the story suddenly dropped out of site." http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/WAR.html



Citation :Holographic technology has been mentioned that doesnt exist and would be imposssible to carry out withiout very many people knowing about it . It would take masses of power . Operators . Many massive lazers and sound projectors that would have needed to be positioned at least in a 180° half circle around the world trade center on roofes with an open view of the planes tragectory and the twin towers . You havent expplained how those projectors could have been transported into the city and lifted onto and positioned on the roofs .


Look at how you go about investigating GOD. You being 'holographic technology has been mentioned that doesn't exist'---How do you KNOW?
I am guessing--cause i dont really know ya--that your method is to just give up on clues. You just close the door. I don't do that. I do NOT say holographic tech don't exist. I do NOT say holograph tech exists. I am LOOKIN! Understand? That is where you and me seem to differ BIG time. because you already beging by concluding. INSTEAD of looking at clues.
How do you KNOW holographic projectors/or whatever they are would take masses of power? Where are you getting your info from? HOW do you know they were on 'roofs'? That is jumpin the gun, and actually doesn't tally with claimed inside info about where the projectors WERE positioned. I.e have you heard John Lear's interview about this?



Citation :Energy weapons have been mentioned . Where were they ? Why didnt anyone notice them ? Who transported , positioned and operated them ?


Why do you ASSUME they were land-based? I don't KNOW. But I ask you, how come you assume that? because if you assume that, and conclude to yourself its impossible etc, then you've stopped investigating. rather try and understand how those buildings could have been pulverized, and the strange effects on other buuildings--seeming big holes/chunks missing, and weird burnt cars, etc. What fits these CLUES? Does the Official Con Theory, or the 'truther' theories fit with the clues as they ARE experienced?

Citation :The holographic projectors , sound projectors and the energy weapons would need very much energy , where would it come from ? From plugs in peoples living rooms ?


I am not patronizin if i say, you ask fair good questions. is good question. But I would respond by suggesting that maybe your understanding OF energy is limited for what this secret tech may be capable of!

Citation :Why havent you drawn the marsians , batman or the silver surfer into your story ? Everyone knows that they have the power to do those things .


comic strip heroes? do you agree technology may exist which you don't know about?


Citation :If i were you i would calm down , start thinking rationaly , stop being abusive and stop destroying your own argument.

From now on i will only take part in this thread when someone says something rational and/or when the simple questions that have been asked over and over again are sensibly answered .

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Actually i am as cool as cucumber 8) I can use strong words but only to shake up.
Be sure you get hip and begin asking sensible questions. Ie., plugs may be prehistoric when we expose these perps' arses and see what they sittin on Smile
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
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#95
I haven't been following this thread, sorry. But it's clear 9/11 was, either partially or completely, an inside job. There's no need to write about why I think so, because there are some great websites and videos going into the details of this matter. Some of the early books, websites and videos may have had some errors in them, but nowadays it's all supported with solid facts and figures.
"The present moment is the only door into existence. The past and future are not doors, they are walls."

"We place no reliance on virgin or pigeon. Our method is science, our aim is religion."

"Enlightenment doesn't care how you get there."
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#96
So wouldnt it be good to try to get a new neutral inquiery using facts and unanswered questions that need answering rather than anouncing theorys to be fact and saying everything has already been proved . Sounds like witch hunts and denunceating people to me . Instead of driving people away by insisting that our personal theorys are the only truth = divide and rule , wouldnt it be better to say we all agree there needs to be a rational , objective , neutral investigation ?

CM i think its important to have read the thread to understand exactly whats going on in it .
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#97
GOD i really think you are moving in circles with what you are saying, because basically it seems to me you are saying the same all the time!
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#98
Being consistent isn't moving in circles IMO.

Still shocked that I so agree with God on something.

:lol:

This thread is going in circles tho Wink

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I have made a ceaseless effort not to ridicule, not to bewail, not to scorn human actions, but to understand. -Spinoza
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#99
I'm bored :wink:

It isn't going in circles. We are still at the same point like on page 1, everyone making the same old statements.

And well, you can't change the world by hanging in a forum of mad junkies, everyone willing to change the world (read with humour Wink).
"But in its true meaning, the sense of responsibility is something completely voluntary; it is my answer to the pronounced or unpronounced wanting of another human being. Feeling 'responsible' for someone else, means being able and ready to 'answer'" - Erich Fromm
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Citation :CM i think its important to have read the thread to understand exactly whats going on in it .

Yes, but I didn't want to comment on the thread, but on the original topic. I've gone through some parts of the thread now, and I've read all these arguments and counterarguments so many times before (especially from 2001 to 2006).
"The present moment is the only door into existence. The past and future are not doors, they are walls."

"We place no reliance on virgin or pigeon. Our method is science, our aim is religion."

"Enlightenment doesn't care how you get there."
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I agree that the thread is going round in circles since page one , and that its realy boring . But , as far as i`m concerned its not about 911 since page one . Its about why the empty , negative , insulting , self defeating blah blah for 6 pages . To get answers to that and to get you all to think about that . Thats why i stayed in the thread since page one .
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CM its not about arguments and counter arguments . Its about pointing out to people that going that way is self defeating . That we all agree that the explenations that we have been given dont answer the questions we have . About the fact that the mainstream of 911 critics has moved away from arguing that personal theorys are fact because that is not as good a strategy as insisting on answers .
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Citation :So wouldnt it be good to try to get a new neutral inquiery using facts and unanswered questions that need answering rather than anouncing theorys to be fact and saying everything has already been proved .

No. Like zezt mentioned: "You are not actually LOOKING at the videos like other investigators are. You are dreaming of some other thing. Some vague idea of a 'reopening of investigation'. Just another way of not-looking. Of burying your head in the sand."

People ARE inquiring, but you're assuming that all of them must not be neutral.

And what do you mean with a "new" inquiry? People from all fields of life have been studying this matter for 7 years, and if you include the events leading to 9/11 it can be said some have already investigated 9/11 for over thirty years.

It's very important that everyone hears about what happened on 9/11 (the things we DO know about that day). When someone spreads the word, don't interrupt him by getting into childish arguments. No, we don't have to demand an new official inquiry, we need to spread the word, and fast!

(Or spread the word about matters that are equally or more important. Most of us here spread the word about the War On Drugs for example.)
"The present moment is the only door into existence. The past and future are not doors, they are walls."

"We place no reliance on virgin or pigeon. Our method is science, our aim is religion."

"Enlightenment doesn't care how you get there."
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but that's quite difficult. When do you know you can trust the source? Take her serious? That it's not a group of paranoid idiots playing with conspiracies? Is a Dr. more reliable than a nerd? There are so many conspiracies or "inqueries" out in the net, most of them are bullshit.

The second question is, when we are sure we were cheated/fucked (as zezt is) whan the heck should we do? and who are "we"? This forum? the youtube-rs? Humanity? If you say the latest, you didn't take my posts serious, and I am very serious about that. The psyche is often stronger than truth, ignorance is bliss,allegory of the cave, call it as you like- mankind won't just rebel.

And as for the "childish kiddie crap shit", I meant that really serious. It is true, without money you come nowhere. I am really sorry. Good spirit isn't enough, unfortunately.
"But in its true meaning, the sense of responsibility is something completely voluntary; it is my answer to the pronounced or unpronounced wanting of another human being. Feeling 'responsible' for someone else, means being able and ready to 'answer'" - Erich Fromm
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I have looked at the videos . Wich one is the not manipulated one ? Are you a video expert ? Can you decide wich is or isnt a fake ? I and you can only give factual opinions of things we are experts in , otherwise its just empty speculation .

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People ARE inquiring, but you're assuming that all of them must not be neutral."

I didnt say they werent . I`m not asuming that , but its obvious not all of them are neutral . I have said we need a neutral , open , public inquiery with powers to call witnesses and examine all the questions and theorys that are being put forwards . One with legal rights . One that would lead to clearing the situation up and punishing people who have done things wrong = impeach bush if its shown that there is a reason .

" When someone spreads the word, don't interrupt him by getting into childish arguments."

You contradict yourself . You dont seem to have understood what the threads about . Its about doing something , getting answers and getting change . I want 911 to be cleared up , and thats basicaly what all the other people in the thread are saying . I am spreading the word that it needs clearing up . I dont stop any chance of sucess by insisting that personal theorys are fact and divide and rule by arguing about that . Thats exactly the way to stop any chance of clearing things up . Its exactly what bushes cohorts want , for us to argue with each other rather than with them . To make us look divided and to introduce theorys that are absolutly sick and therby drive people away from our cause . Argue about the colour of the life boat instead of building one before its to late .

"No, we don't have to demand an new official inquiry, we need to spread the word, and fast!"

Where is that going to get us ? Whats it going to change ?
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the point is that if it was faked perfectly, nobody could see whether it was faked or not.


and believe me, the people who are supposed to have done it or could have done it, would not be the most stupid persons on the planet...


so there is a conflict in the concept of "the actual truth", because nobody can REALLY say what it must have been like, because of the "professional-fakers".


so actually, the inquirers as you call it, would hinder themselves mutually in their inquirieries, if they wouldn't be inquiring totally separately.


but of course, some inquirers could have the skill to not be drawn into such trivial conflicts.


yet the problem remains, because nobody wants to believe what the other has to say, but of course it is also difficult to do that, because of they cannot prove what they say, or because the other wouldn't believe the proofs.
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that's the dilemma.
"But in its true meaning, the sense of responsibility is something completely voluntary; it is my answer to the pronounced or unpronounced wanting of another human being. Feeling 'responsible' for someone else, means being able and ready to 'answer'" - Erich Fromm
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BrainEater a écrit :
Citation :the point is that if it was faked perfectly, nobody could see whether it was faked or not.

It wasn't faked perfectly. That is the point? Are you suggesting they faked it imperfectly deliberately?



[quote:1xgvr4wr]and believe me, the people who are supposed to have done it or could have done it, would not be the most stupid persons on the planet...


I think they are incredibly stupid and arrogant, and greatly underestimate us. But they are alos very calculating (like the machine-brains they are) and would carry out analyses of the percentage of their propaganderized dupes who CAn be fooled, enough to allow them to carry on their evil plans.




Citation :so there is a conflict in the concept of "the actual truth", because nobody can REALLY say what it must have been like, because of the "professional-fakers".


Not so. That is actually what is being dont by the investigation into their major scam. The perps are NOT perfect, are not gods. And like their predecessors who have attempted to take over the world--like Roma--they have weakspots. But you have to apply yourselves to expose them. And not pretend they are not there. or that there's no point etc.
This is serious shit. Think of your children, and thers, and all the other species. If you dont make an effort who will?


Citation :so actually, the inquirers as you call it, would hinder themselves mutually in their inquirieries, if they wouldn't be inquiring totally separately.


cant make sense out of this statement. Can you explain what you mean better?


Citation :but of course, some inquirers could have the skill to not be drawn into such trivial conflicts.


yet the problem remains, because nobody wants to believe what the other has to say, but of course it is also difficult to do that, because of they cannot prove what they say, or because the other wouldn't believe the proofs.

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I can only go on MY experience. Post 9/11 I went through various phases. Beginning with a real fukin ODD one for me. Ie., the event of 9/11 was MEANT to traumatize you and adhere you to the authority of Bush etc...? Well--i got caught up in thet to begin with. I was wanting to see Bush talk about it, etc...LOL. that is SO not me because i have ALWAYS distrusted grim fuck politics. But i am confessing this, because I experienced their psy op intention---get me??! This mindfuck lasted a very short time thank God. And then I found out about the 9/11 'Truth' movement....................I remember seeing a video about TV Tricker and No Planes. the one I saw was going on about the 'demon' in the smoke. the narrator's voice got on my nerves, and at the time I felt it was triviliazing, and was another scam trying to fuck-up 'real investigation'......But then i saw September Clues, and other stuff and things began to make more sense

So see. I am not a stranger to when I meet resistance to this other stuff, because I was VERy hostile to it at first. But now I feel more out of the box. And I see so-called 'truthers' VERy hostile to people who want to explore this. They ban any members, and discussion about it from their forums, and conferences. That I am familiar with!
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
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