matrix in action
#1
I am pasting this post of mine from another forum. I feel it's of the utmost importance people here explore about this:
Submitted Sun, 08/17/2008 - 12:48.

"THE biggest crime began in the morning, in New York City, on the 9th of September 2001.

This crime is an ongoing crime, and is being used to justify all kinds of evil, And is taking away what little liberties you had before it smashed into your world that 'fateful' day.

In order to detect who was behind that crime it is wise for people--especially those experienced with psychedelics which are supposed to help feeling into deeper understandings of reality--to look very closely at the videos I am sharing with you here.

If you dont want to, aren't interested, have already made up your minds, yet speak of changing things for the better in our reality, then surely you are deceiving yourselves. Because if your not willing to give some of your time to trying to understand such a crime as this, which murdered up to 3000 Americans, and is used as excuse to wage an illegal invasion and war of Iraq, etc, and murder and maim many more thousands of innocent children, and adults, etc., then what is the point of trying to understand how to create an intelligent and more loving culture. For it would mean trying to do so blind to the dramatic causes of the escalations of abuse already going on.



Now, the first video I will link you to is from

Brasscheck.tv. These people send some really great videos, but I was surprised that they had sent one to do with 'No Planes', because this subject has been rejected, quite venemously, by some of the alternative movement, like Alex Jones, for example!

I link you to it, because its intro is very good. But I recommend you see link directly below it for the actual Youtube video, as you can see the film in a larger window.(I encourage you to realy examine , pause, replay, pause for thought, etc etc. So that you really dig what is being said , written, and shown)

The third video is called September Clues New Part A. This is a series of videos to the 'Epilogue', and goes into all this in much greater depth. And please checkout his channel, and watch his other videos such as 911 Amateur parts 1-3 (you can click their 'play all' where the play in sequence automatically. Thankyou



Brasscheck Presents: South Tower Anomalies III (see intro) http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/401.html

For fullscreen at Youtube: South Tower Anomalies III: Addressing the Debunkers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh7cKDXnS_s



September Clues New Part A (Play All- will play series in sequence) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXda5Kn2 ... FFDE39F3...

(click on video maker's user name to visit his channel where you can checkout other playlists/alls of his videos to do with this)"
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
  Répondre
#2
there was another movie...how was it called..hmmm...ah yeah loose change.

I think this stuff is quite interesting to watch but you have to keep a sane dose of scepticism, even on conspiracies (especially on them).

Citation :and is used as excuse to wage an illegal invasion and war of Iraq


oh c'mon if a president wants to invade another country, especially with the power of Georgie, he doesn't have to kill 5000 civilans or how many they were there.

Citation :but I was surprised that they had sent one to do with 'No Planes', because this subject has been rejected,


how?

Believe me, there are 10000 conspiracies in this world, you can even find some that say that aliens attacked the WTC, stay cool.
"But in its true meaning, the sense of responsibility is something completely voluntary; it is my answer to the pronounced or unpronounced wanting of another human being. Feeling 'responsible' for someone else, means being able and ready to 'answer'" - Erich Fromm
  Répondre
#3
restin a écrit :there was another movie...how was it called..hmmm...ah yeah loose change.

I think this stuff is quite interesting to watch but you have to keep a sane dose of scepticism, even on conspiracies (especially on them).

Citation :and is used as excuse to wage an illegal invasion and war of Iraq

oh c'mon if a president wants to invade another country, especially with the power of Georgie, he doesn't have to kill 5000 civilans or how many they were there.

[quote:1pvrz6qb]but I was surprised that they had sent one to do with 'No Planes', because this subject has been rejected,


how?

Believe me, there are 10000 conspiracies in this world, you can even find some that say that aliens attacked the WTC, stay cool.[/quote:1pvrz6qb]

Look. Have you even viewed the videos I have presented?
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
  Répondre
#4
I havent looked at the videos you mentioned and i wont as i`ve had enough of 911 conspiracy theorys . I`m not disagreeing with you or saying your videos are crap . I`m just fed up of conspiracy theorys stuffed with sensible arguments and facts mixed with dodgy storys that turn the most of the public off .

I recently watched two of the newer films , "911 Birth of Treason" and "Confronting the Evidence.reopen911.org" . The first of wich is the best , most factual and objective one i`ve seen up till now and the second one is a , in my opinion , very convincing conference where the whole story is discussed . One of the main things that i thought was good about them is that they dont come from the conspiracy direction . Instead they show that the inquiery was a farce , that there was a cover up and that there must be a new public inquiery with full powers to find out the truths of what happened .
If in doubt double the dose

"Its hard to be humble , when you`re as great as i am"

http://WWW.Youtopia.ws
  Répondre
#5
Citation :Look. Have you even viewed the videos I have presented?


yes I have

and I asked you to explain, how the no-plain theory was falsified.

Citation :and i wont as i`ve had enough of 911 conspiracy theorys .


yes.

People love myths. They need them.

Citation :Instead they show that the inquiery was a farce , that there was a cover up and that there must be a new public inquiery with full powers to find out the truths of what happened .


Can you save me the time and tell me their conclusion?
"But in its true meaning, the sense of responsibility is something completely voluntary; it is my answer to the pronounced or unpronounced wanting of another human being. Feeling 'responsible' for someone else, means being able and ready to 'answer'" - Erich Fromm
  Répondre
#6
The two films are 4 hours long in total and the conclusion was "there was a cover up and that there must be a new public inquiery with full powers to find out the truths of what happened ."

Other than that it was to much to put in a few words . they just showed that lots of the official story doesnt add up and that the bush government totaly controlled the inquiery , the questions that were asked and the evidence that was looked at . The films were also very much about asking pregnant questions .
If in doubt double the dose

"Its hard to be humble , when you`re as great as i am"

http://WWW.Youtopia.ws
  Répondre
#7
restin a écrit :oh c'mon if a president wants to invade another country, especially with the power of Georgie, he doesn't have to kill 5000 civilans or how many they were there.


Actually he does. Maybe not for the american public, but for the rest of the world he has to have a good reason. The way it was done, no one could argue against him. Remember the whole "weapons of mass destruction" search?

It is rather simple. Afghanistan is in deep debt to america for the help against russia and the cia had a good influence already. So they were the scapegoats.
Did they really fight for Afghanistan? They just marched in and it was over.
Why did they even involve the Iraq? It had nothing to do with 9/11. The iraq was even a big enemy of the Taliban. But Saddam (who was placed in power by the cia - incidentally just at the time when senior Bush was chief in the cia) never held up his end of the oil bargain with america, which made him an enemy for the last 25 years.
After Afghanistan was "conquered" they needed an excuse why the could go after the Iraq. The UN did not aproove of the invasion (up to day) but throught the media the idea that "weapons of mass destruction" were there and a threat. The reason why they were so sure is, because the Iraq got the WoMD from the US.

But if every country, that has WoMD could be invaded, there would be american military in half the world.

Its politics, economy and a big pile of bullshit. The truth? Who cares? As long as people know that they have been fucked, the truth is absolutely secondary. And I even think, that all the conspiracy-talk just keeps people occupied instead of doing something with what they have. It is absolutely enough to know, that the goverment was involved and that it is a lie and a set up. Searching for the real truth will just keep you from doing something now.
[Image: banner460x87.gif]
  Répondre
#8
I am not usually strict on threads, regarding them going off in other directions. But for this one, I really Do want to keep focus on the videos I presented.

People here keep throwing in the term 'conspiracy theory'. That term is a main jammer to any inquiry. it is a designed mindcontrol tactic BY the very conspiracy to stop exploration and stifle debate. ALL one has to say is 'conspiracy theory' and this is intended to shame. and make out the other person asking questions is....well a CT, and 'loony'!

Now. If say I was talking about 'reptilian aliens' who are in cahoots with the ruling elite and that these reptilians actually create the '3D world' we believe we are living in (which David Icke and others talk and write about) then yes that IS theory, because how the fuck do you present evidence about it? It is theory.

But very different to that, I have presented actual videos, etc, that actually exist, that you can SEE, and listen to, and you are encouraged to use your minds and judgement to analyse them. You should be able to see they are false, and that your being seriously played. And that for sure, the official conspiracy is absurd, as is the 'planehugger truther' theory which, even though, will question the OFC will still believe actual 747s flown by terrorist and full of passengers flew into the towers etc!

What is hard to understand is the reaction from the so-called alternative movement ('truthers') regarding the evidence of No Planes and Tv trickery. Take their 'leader', Alex Jones. He is really hostile if anyone tries to even talk to him about this. So one has to wonder why that is too.

So all I can do here is encourage you to really closely examine these videos. Dont watch them like a film--passive. But interact: pause them, replay, pause for thought and reflection, etc, etc, so you really understand what is being shown. if at the end of that you still don't agree there is something VERY weird going on, then at least you know you'd given effort to find out
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
  Répondre
#9
Of course it was all made up. I also believe, no I know that there has been a cover up at this.

I don't believe what psm said, rather yes ok, I'll explain.

If Georgie wants his toys, he will get it and Europe will lick his ass. Russia will be against it anyway, so there's nothing to do about that.

For the Iraq war, there was, as you said truthfully, the WoMD argument.

He could and would have used it also without 9/11.

I guess that 9/11 has kinda paralyzed the world, so no one would realize the war.

But as I remember there were mass protests and even official protest against the war. Georgie wouldn't listen.

Why should he? Europe is still paying off WW2, Germany is bankrupt, France has inner problems, Israel is for the US anyway and the rest doesn't count.

zezt: I saw these movies. I realized what happened there. There was a media cover up. You can't do anything any more.

By the way: I bet that anyone would have seen the plains. That would be funny. I mean, NY is a metropole and after the first crash (latest) everyone looked to the towers...I guess.

And look. You will find 1000 evidences of that governments are fucked up, lie to us, propagade lies, are greedy little monsters. Most of the people are comfortable with that as long as they get their salary. Sorry dude. Nowadays truth loses 0:1.
"But in its true meaning, the sense of responsibility is something completely voluntary; it is my answer to the pronounced or unpronounced wanting of another human being. Feeling 'responsible' for someone else, means being able and ready to 'answer'" - Erich Fromm
  Répondre
#10
[Image: southpark911-world-trade-center-con.jpg]

Tongue
as we separate and compare
  Répondre
#11
Restin...

What we need to do is not lose spirit because the world seems so fucked up, and seemingly beyond any hope, but make sure our spirit doesn't get oppressed.

If ANY people must see to this it is us who are not strangers to psychedelic experience. Because with psychedelics/entheogens/sacred Medicine, I see OUR deep connection with all the Indigenous peoples from the very ancient past, and present. Millions of whom became victimsof the very same sick sadistic mindset that people GENERALLY now--if they have any sense--are waking up to!!

That mindset is destroying the Web of Life, and is THE enemy.

So there is no comfort now of sitting back, burying your head in the sand, and just believing you cannot do any thing. You HAVE to do something!

Think of your kids, the kids to come, all the species under attack. Whatever little you can do do more, and keeps doing it. Dont believe that you dont matter, or that you dont have any impact. That is what they try and do. Its called Divide and Rule. Their main strategy of splitting up the Community sos they are not threatened by natural protest--on large scale--about the deception, sadism, exploitation, and ecocide going on.

9/11 was a huge crime, and they depend on it being believed as they say it happened to carry on with their evil BS. So its not just some little thing like you suggest. It was meticulously planned, and was designed to wage a war on 'terror' which their propaganda makes out isn't THEIR fukin terror. Dig?! So be strong, and do your bit.
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
  Répondre
#12
" It was meticulously planned, and was designed to wage a war on 'terror' "

So you are saying that the conspiracy theorys are true and that the whole thing was one big plan made by the american government ? Where is the proof ? Proof as in proof not speculation and self fullfiling / justifying theorys . I think that there is more to the situation than we have been told / know up till now , but i see several explanations . Thats why i think its better to say something happened , it hasnt been properly investigated or explained and it needs to be .
If in doubt double the dose

"Its hard to be humble , when you`re as great as i am"

http://WWW.Youtopia.ws
  Répondre
#13
if it's true and the videos are a bit convincing at least... then the whole thing wouldn't lack the irony of the government being the real terrorists and at the same time being terrorists in another country, bringing war because of threadbare reasons. (economic reasons)


peace.
i'm so disgusted by the world of today.. Sad
  Répondre
#14
Just because you hate the government, you don't have to love the opposite.

The reason that is given (official coverage against other countries, economy) is bullshit, sorry. If that was the reason, than I officially entitle the US-government as stupid. Why?

1. Look if you wanna kill 5000 people and look good you have to do A LOT to organize it. I mean in one vid there was the reason that they made it half-half and accidentally the helicopter turned left.

C'mon!

Agatha Cristie has made more organized murder on 1 person.

2. Such an attack paralyzes but also gives much attention, mostly after the shock is away. If you organize such a crime, you MUST understand that there would be 10000 conspiracies, especially when you make such brutal mistakes!! It is logical that everything will be scruntinized and examined.

Bush is an idiot but the people behind him surely aren't.

And also the thing with the background. THIS IS SUCH AN OBVIOUS MISTAKE, it is (if coverage) as if a 5 year old child would have organized the coverage!

OK, I agree that there is something wrong in the story, much is wrong and, like GOD I would rather look for another investigation/explanation.

Rebel? Man, c'mon, be realistic. NO ONE WANTS TO REBEL. People ar comfortable. Also if you would send the EXACT PROOF on the TV ALL OVER THE WORLD no one would rebel. Why should they?
"But in its true meaning, the sense of responsibility is something completely voluntary; it is my answer to the pronounced or unpronounced wanting of another human being. Feeling 'responsible' for someone else, means being able and ready to 'answer'" - Erich Fromm
  Répondre
#15
If it was a conspiracy think of how many people it must have taken to carry out and how many people must have some knowledge . Where are they ? How could all of them be kept quiet after being part of a mass murder ?
If in doubt double the dose

"Its hard to be humble , when you`re as great as i am"

http://WWW.Youtopia.ws
  Répondre
#16
agreed, there are obvious lies and coverups going on but.. seen some of the 9/11 theories, there were some serious scientific/engineering blunders in them. not to mention people being misquoted and taken out of context and being quite irate when they found out they were being used that way (like the fireman for example)

in the end though I totally agree such theories IMO only serve to distract from the REAL conspiracies that are going on, ones that may not be so grandiose but still affect us slowly but surely

we know that who/whatever caused the towers to fall, the government totally used it as an excuse to clamp down on freedom and yes it is sad how many neocons still think the war in iraq is a justifiable retaliation for 9/11. geography was evidently not their major.
I have made a ceaseless effort not to ridicule, not to bewail, not to scorn human actions, but to understand. -Spinoza
  Répondre
#17
"How could all of them be kept quiet after being part of a mass murder ?"

Television is a weapon of mass destruction and I see few not keeping quiet. That's the funny thing about power, you need not many people. Some few rules, some money and power, no one has to know anything, the dirty work gets done by few, and the emergent properties of chaos theory take care of the rest. It can't go wrong because, well, it's supposed to go wrong.
Capitalism is the new fancy word for imperialism.
  Répondre
#18
GOD a écrit :" It was meticulously planned, and was designed to wage a war on 'terror' "

So you are saying that the conspiracy theorys are true and that the whole thing was one big plan made by the american government ? Where is the proof ? Proof as in proof not speculation and self fullfiling / justifying theorys . I think that there is more to the situation than we have been told / know up till now , but i see several explanations . Thats why i think its better to say something happened , it hasnt been properly investigated or explained and it needs to be .


No your right not to jump to conclusions. Really we have that footage. What that does is show that false images and reasons have been put out BY Government ANd mass media. Mass media is OWNED by the secret government.

Who is the secret government? Well, really it aint secret because the info is out there who is this secret or better invisible government. Let's call em invisible then thers no contradiction with word 'secret'. That words is alright though cause many people aint got a clue about this, so .......

So this invisible government is the one that is always there behind the phony shifting political circus of choice. You know the scam that by voting 'Left' or 'Right' you can change things. You cant, because behind the scenes are these groups planning a New World order. A centralized power elite that controls the planet. The presidents, prime ministers, etc are merely frontmen/puppets/salesmen/trained smiling liars that seel you phony dreams.

So, it is the ones BEHIND the scenes who are involved with transnational corporatisim that designed and carried out 9/11.
Of course a massive arm of their's is the Military Industrial Complex - the same pres. Eisenhower warned about!
Think of it like some big bloody business without any morals whatso9ever, and needs to EXPAND its business for profits and power so needs must create phony conflicts, hence the 'Cold War', and now the 'War on Terror', where even we become the enemy. Or at lest we who defy their control freakery.
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
  Répondre
#19
btw:

did any of my fellow discordians realise, that it was actually an attack on the sacred chao?
[Image: banner460x87.gif]
  Répondre
#20
I wouldn't say that there are the "9 Secred Masterminds" or the "Unglorious 7".

I just think that it is the system that forces all of us to contribute to the facts that happen.

Citation :Mass media is OWNED by the secret government.


And here is already my first reason. There is no "Jach Unknown" who says to the TV "do that and that" it is the system that forces the media to work with the government.


Citation :Who is the secret government? Well, really it aint secret because the info is out there who is this secret or better invisible government.


Who is it?

Georgie? No, don't be funny.

Wladimir? No, he has his own interests.

The Pope? (joke)

I'd rather think that there are oil-magnates playing their games but I don't think that they are in a "secret government".

Citation :we know that who/whatever caused the towers to fall, the government totally used it as an excuse to clamp down on freedom


I think this is a perfect summary of what we know.

Citation :New World order


There is nothing to plan...we are already in it.

Citation :hence the 'Cold War', and now the 'War on Terror', where even we become the enemy.


Every system has its Goldstein.
"But in its true meaning, the sense of responsibility is something completely voluntary; it is my answer to the pronounced or unpronounced wanting of another human being. Feeling 'responsible' for someone else, means being able and ready to 'answer'" - Erich Fromm
  Répondre
#21
restin a écrit :Just because you hate the government, you don't have to love the opposite.

The reason that is given (official coverage against other countries, economy) is bullshit, sorry. If that was the reason, than I officially entitle the US-government as stupid. Why?

1. Look if you wanna kill 5000 people and look good you have to do A LOT to organize it. I mean in one vid there was the reason that they made it half-half and accidentally the helicopter turned left.

C'mon!

Agatha Cristie has made more organized murder on 1 person.

2. Such an attack paralyzes but also gives much attention, mostly after the shock is away. If you organize such a crime, you MUST understand that there would be 10000 conspiracies, especially when you make such brutal mistakes!! It is logical that everything will be scruntinized and examined.

Bush is an idiot but the people behind him surely aren't.

And also the thing with the background. THIS IS SUCH AN OBVIOUS MISTAKE, it is (if coverage) as if a 5 year old child would have organized the coverage!

OK, I agree that there is something wrong in the story, much is wrong and, like GOD I would rather look for another investigation/explanation.

Rebel? Man, c'mon, be realistic. NO ONE WANTS TO REBEL. People ar comfortable. Also if you would send the EXACT PROOF on the TV ALL OVER THE WORLD no one would rebel. Why should they?


Alright so stop! You admit that there's something weird, and that these mistakes are very crap. Now don't let that obvious info blind you to the fact that that crap has/IS being used to dupe people!
For example, remember the 'International shot' of the 'hippity hop plane' going into the south tower. And how in another live fottage of very same tower we dont see ANY plane right? Now that is a MASSIVE clue, and as said the media has used this shot to convince an international audience that a plane crashed into the tower. That is just one example.

Question: why is it so crappily done? You are most certainly not the only observer to know that. these researchers who are on this major scam have been on it years. SUCh dedication. But they usually know to go slow and not jump to conclusions. But to keep looking close at what we have.

I am only speculating, but maybe they had underestimated us! it is known that the so-called elite really disrespect the 'people'. They use a lot of put down names for us including 'useless eaters' 'the great unwashed', shit like that. because this elite are so unbeieveably rich that they must lose track with actual reality> YET, as much as they underestimate us they still spend a LOT of money and effort on MINDCONTROL, and that includes so-called education. So hmmmmm really they fear us getting hip to what they up to.

But you see this 9/11 scam....Didn't Hitler say something like the bigger the LIE the more people will believe it. See, they rely on a certain percentage of people either buying it, and/or fearing to question it.


"Rebel? Man, c'mon, be realistic. NO ONE WANTS TO REBEL. People ar comfortable. Also if you would send the EXACT PROOF on the TV ALL OVER THE WORLD no one would rebel. Why should they?"

Why should they..??! Do you care for this Earth, and others, and animals, and all species? How do you feel when you see the horrors being doen to kids in Iraq, and the adults of course? Do you not have feeling?
What about your psychedelic experience. Dont you feel deep with that. So how can you even say that?
And your wrong. People are waking up to this, and are wanting to change things radically. we HAVE to. There is no question about it.
First thing to do is look what the fucks going on.
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
  Répondre
#22
Citation :Why should they..??! Do you care for this Earth, and others, and animals, and all species? How do you feel when you see the horrors being doen to kids in Iraq, and the adults of course? Do you not have feeling?
What about your psychedelic experience. Dont you feel deep with that. So how can you even say that?
And your wrong. People are waking up to this, and are wanting to change things radically. we HAVE to. There is no question about it.
First thing to do is look what the fucks going on.


I am not talking about myself. I am talking about John Doe, 80 kilo, 40 years old, works in a buraeu 8 hours, coming home to his wife and children, going on vacation 2 a year.

HE HAS NO INTEREST IN THAT STUFF. No, no one is waking up to this. There are communities such as psychonaut.com but they are rare. Believe me.

Your first youtube vid was seen ca. 30.000 times.

Loose change 2 (German!) was rated 1000 times on video.google that means min. 20.000 watches, MINIMUM. If we think about all languages it was translated to, we can say 100.000 people have seen loose change 2.

Considering all videos available, let's say 1 million people have seen these vids.

I haven't seen 1 million people protesting, because most don't care.

Yes, I already agreed that there is something wrong. But tell me your conclusion please!




Citation :If it was a conspiracy think of how many people it must have taken to carry out and how many people must have some knowledge . Where are they ? How could all of them be kept quiet after being part of a mass murder ?


I think we should also think about that. You can pay some people so they keep quite. But not everyone.
"But in its true meaning, the sense of responsibility is something completely voluntary; it is my answer to the pronounced or unpronounced wanting of another human being. Feeling 'responsible' for someone else, means being able and ready to 'answer'" - Erich Fromm
  Répondre
#23
You are playing the / "their" game . Playing the role "they" want if there is a "they" . Your playing divide and rule . If you want to get results / solve the mystery why dont you stop driving people away with extreme theorys and just push the fact that 911 hasnt been fully investigated and then when we get an investigation offer proof ?

What about the number of people it would have taken to plant the explosives ? Where are they ? Who are they ? Why are they all keeping quiete ?

There have been lots of conspiracy theorys from perl harbour to vietnam to the moon landings . They are all considered posible partly because they would have been possible with only a hand full of people knowing . With the 911 conspiracy theorys there would have to be hundreds of people who have inside knowledge .

I`m sure that there is much more to be found out than is publicaly know and i want to know it . But to do that we will have to go other ways than spreading conspiracy theorys that scare off the majority of the people who we will need to get a new inquiery .
If in doubt double the dose

"Its hard to be humble , when you`re as great as i am"

http://WWW.Youtopia.ws
  Répondre
#24
GOD a écrit :But to do that we will have to go other ways than spreading conspiracy theorys that scare off the majority of the people who we will need to get a new inquiery .


and if there IS a real conspiracy going on, that is probably exactly why they are so tolerant of all these youtube videos spreading around!

Big Grin
I have made a ceaseless effort not to ridicule, not to bewail, not to scorn human actions, but to understand. -Spinoza
  Répondre
#25
Well, imagine now all vids suddendly disappearing.

Latest then, people would stand up. I mean you can't show your cards more obvious, can you?

Big Grin
"But in its true meaning, the sense of responsibility is something completely voluntary; it is my answer to the pronounced or unpronounced wanting of another human being. Feeling 'responsible' for someone else, means being able and ready to 'answer'" - Erich Fromm
  Répondre
#26
restin a écrit :
Citation :Why should they..??! Do you care for this Earth, and others, and animals, and all species? How do you feel when you see the horrors being doen to kids in Iraq, and the adults of course? Do you not have feeling?
What about your psychedelic experience. Dont you feel deep with that. So how can you even say that?
And your wrong. People are waking up to this, and are wanting to change things radically. we HAVE to. There is no question about it.
First thing to do is look what the fucks going on.

I am not talking about myself. I am talking about John Doe, 80 kilo, 40 years old, works in a buraeu 8 hours, coming home to his wife and children, going on vacation 2 a year.

HE HAS NO INTEREST IN THAT STUFF. No, no one is waking up to this. There are communities such as psychonaut.com but they are rare. Believe me.

Your first youtube vid was seen ca. 30.000 times.

Loose change 2 (German!) was rated 1000 times on video.google that means min. 20.000 watches, MINIMUM. If we think about all languages it was translated to, we can say 100.000 people have seen loose change 2.

Considering all videos available, let's say 1 million people have seen these vids.

I haven't seen 1 million people protesting, because most don't care.

Yes, I already agreed that there is something wrong. But tell me your conclusion please!




[quote:jl03z85k]If it was a conspiracy think of how many people it must have taken to carry out and how many people must have some knowledge . Where are they ? How could all of them be kept quiet after being part of a mass murder ?


I think we should also think about that. You can pay some people so they keep quite. But not everyone.[/quote:jl03z85k]

This 'John Doe' doe~sn't exist. he is a figment of the mass media's imagination. He is a statistic formed by their matrix way of imposing reality on people. So the whole ..radical point is to start realizing this. This 9/11 shit IS the matrix in action . This is not just some event unconnected to all their tricks--though it IS a big controlling event of course--it is showing us HOW we HAVE been played and what they do, and are prepared to do. So the looking into this rabbit hole MUSt be a catalyst for you to QUESTIOn thisas here matrix that is being played is your reality. Understand

of course I dig what you mean. The 'average man' who is struggling to survive, and aint got time to study this....? 'John Doe'. 'Joe Public' But hey, have you seen fuel prices lately. Seen price of food, and everything going up. maybe this dude would like to know this. Why be aloof and think that there are people not interested in this. Sure they could tell yas to fuck off, but maybe if you present it right it will sink in.

I confess that I went through several phases post 9/11------First even I bough the OCT, then i became a 'truther', and then it dawned on my about the No Planes and TV trickery. I had resisted it, because at the time it obviously wasn't clicking. there can be a lot of resistance and you have to dig that for others. AND also realize that YOU are still learning and there are surprises. Staying as flexible as you can
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
  Répondre
#27
You answer parts of the posts but please also answer the question GOD and me (surprisingly sharing the opinion :wink: ) are asking you.

1. the many people

2. What do you conclude? What do you propose? the Whole matrix stuff isn't new for me, I know it but please answer me what you think this fake was for. Do you say that the 5000 victims are now on a holyday in Hawaii and there was nothing, do you say that it was the government organizing that?

Citation : who is struggling to survive


No, he is feeling quite good. Bread and circuses. It is true.

I beg you don't write in bold lettering. Do it if you want to underline one statement but it is more difficult to read the whole.

Citation :he is a figment of the mass media's imagination.


I see him every day when I am in the city and I am disgusted by him :wink: He does exist.
"But in its true meaning, the sense of responsibility is something completely voluntary; it is my answer to the pronounced or unpronounced wanting of another human being. Feeling 'responsible' for someone else, means being able and ready to 'answer'" - Erich Fromm
  Répondre
#28
GOD a écrit :You are playing the / "their" game . Playing the role "they" want if there is a "they" . Your playing divide and rule . If you want to get results / solve the mystery why dont you stop driving people away with extreme theorys and just push the fact that 911 hasnt been fully investigated and then when we get an investigation offer proof ?

What about the number of people it would have taken to plant the explosives ? Where are they ? Who are they ? Why are they all keeping quiete ?

There have been lots of conspiracy theorys from perl harbour to vietnam to the moon landings . They are all considered posible partly because they would have been possible with only a hand full of people knowing . With the 911 conspiracy theorys there would have to be hundreds of people who have inside knowledge .

I`m sure that there is much more to be found out than is publicaly know and i want to know it . But to do that we will have to go other ways than spreading conspiracy theorys that scare off the majority of the people who we will need to get a new inquiery .


Alright, to me your still stuck on that term 'conspiracy theory'. it is like this magic code-word and if you say it then you can stop thinking.
For the momnet forget 'explosions'. Those video links I showed aren't really on about the 'controlled demolitions', but about the false video renderings of planes.
Wheever I have seen this talked to media, and it is VERY rare, though you often hear the 'truthers' get media time--you get :'but are you telling me planes didn't go into the towers??!' so this means that the central thing is them wanting us to believe that planes flown by terrorists and full of innocent American passengers flew into the WORLD TRADE CENTRE. Any questioning of that is real taboo. And thats why we are doing it here.

How can this be divide and rule? It is divide and rule if I blame it on the Arabs, or the Jews, etc etc. But if I am looking to who REALLY is responsible, then I am NOT gettin caught up in divide and rule am I? Because that is why they mindcontrol with that so we DON'T look at they behind the scenes.
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
  Répondre
#29
We all said that there was something wrong in the vids,dude!!!
"But in its true meaning, the sense of responsibility is something completely voluntary; it is my answer to the pronounced or unpronounced wanting of another human being. Feeling 'responsible' for someone else, means being able and ready to 'answer'" - Erich Fromm
  Répondre
#30
" maybe if you present it right it will sink in."

Exactly . But you seem to me to be pushing your personal conclusions instead of asking pregnant questions . And you arent answering the questions you are asked .

Are you saying that all the private and media films of planes flying into the towers are fakes ? That all the witnesses are liers ? If you are you have just enlarged the knowing conspiritor / masss murderer group to thousands .
If in doubt double the dose

"Its hard to be humble , when you`re as great as i am"

http://WWW.Youtopia.ws
  Répondre


Sujets apparemment similaires...
Sujet Auteur Réponses Affichages Dernier message
  What is the Matrix? reborn thread zezt 138 26,170 13/10/2016 12:05
Dernier message: psihonaut
  Where has my/our thread titled What is the Matrix? gone??! zezt 25 7,603 06/12/2014 19:43
Dernier message: BrianNori
  The core of the matrix. We live in a perpetual nerf(too weak to resist C) generation! SWIMchem5 2 2,208 02/01/2014 08:01
Dernier message: Shariyal77
  what is the matrix? BrainEater 12 1,662 13/06/2010 17:49
Dernier message: ophiuchus

Atteindre :


Utilisateur(s) parcourant ce sujet : 1 visiteur(s)