What is the Matrix? reborn thread
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Demahdi a écrit :Trust me I understand what you are saying. And I may not express myself always as well in English, I think the messages comes through. I find the Goddess quite interesting, but I don't think it's wise we should address genders to something divine. These outcomes were univetible. When you place drugs on the earth, man is going to find and use them, eventualy. I am fully aware on how male dominant religious hiërarchies are, but I was hoping we could look beyond that. I respect your opinion and I have already pointed out I truly admire your passion. I even agree! But please recognize I do not support this male dominance, I'm just saying it was univetible. It isn't all bad, the world is a big place, and it has been a mans world long before religion was invented. What's the blame then? Our instincts? We can't blame the banana for not growing horizontal, right? You say the Sumerians put up their sungod and took over a Goddess power, but how sure can you be of that? We are left with vague impressions... Jumping to conclussions in a foggy world might leave you dissapointed in life.


{First let me help you with English spelling of this word, By the way your overall English is excellent! Smile 'univetible' is spelt inevitable}
I actually like the imagery of a divine Great Mother who births all and takes all back into Her Cosmic Womb simultaneously. I think this is far more incluvie that the big tyrannical phallic 'God'. But I understand where your coming from. Just understand that the patriarchy suppressed any mythical symbolism to do with a Divine Feminine, and how this affects actual women and nature. The latter because anciently it is likened to a Mother, hence "Mother Earth", but is seen by patriarchal mindset as inferior to a "male spirit".
I do not think it has always been a"man's world". *I think that is what the patriarchy wants us to believe via its predominance writing his-story. There is a saying:

Citation :George Orwell — 'Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.'

That is how they use toxic mythology which is mind control. They tell you what the past is.
Citation :I have never said animals don't have feelings and emotions, where did I do that? What I said in context was that animals don't have art, don't have science, don't have medical care, don't have philosophy, don't have religion, don't have social economic structures.... Yes Zezt, we are totally different from animals. I am not saying by this they aren't equal. But something happened to us, and the signs are pointing out to a tree of knowledge... A psychedelic... And that's where I find the Bicameral Mind an outstanding work of lecture describing this phenomema. We are still getting our s..t together, and females are giving equal cards more and more. I didn't mean to be insulting by saying woman are catching up. I'm just observing that in science, art, medical, philosophy etc the genders are predominantly male. Things go as they flow, you can't bend things forever... So if they weren't catching up, what took them so long in the first place? I'm not trying to be offensive here, I'm just painting out a view.


When birds create a nest is not that art? Is not their plumage art, and their courting rituals? When they fly and swoop is not that art? Is not clouds forming art. Is not the magical nature not the very source OF creativity and thus art....?
I have heard animals have instinctual intelligence to seek out healing plants etc.
Don't we shit, pee, and get jealous, and get angry, and are playful like animals, and get lonely....etc? So why do you want to be so utterly different from animals for?
Sorry but I do find it insulting to say women are "catching up". it is more that the brutal patriarchal mindset has prevented evolution.
By the way it is known that animals also ingest psychedelics!
To say that males dominate science, art, medicine, philosophy, etc is not because women cannot 'catch up'. It is because of the suppressive and oppressive nature of the patriarchy against women, and their own femininity!

Citation :Everybody is free to believe what they want, but again, it isn't our beliefs what ruins the world, it is our choices. If you believe the grass is blue it would not matter to the elements of earth. If you believe nuclear power can be advantageous for mankind that is your right. But if people choose to build them near coastlines where earthquakes occassionally occur, they're just plane dumb. Yet I choose to buy nuclear energy because it is cheaper. The circle is complete, you see my point? I can live without energy, I can pay more for "green" energy, but why would I, I'm driving below 2 rpm to safe gasoline these days.
What does it matter if you are sucking out a goddes or a god or a gaian spirit? What matters is your kids are going to breathe its air, eat its fish, drink its water, ...
What choices should we make?


No one is thinking of all the children to come, and all the other species to come.

There is no thought about the nuclear toxic shit which they have to 'seal'.

I cannot get over how fukin unfeeling this world is. IE by 'world' I mean their world of exploitation. It is completely insane.

HOW many people just accept them and their fucked wars where they fly planes over men women and children and all life and drop bombs on them??! It is complete utter insanity!




Make them eat more fruits? Smile
Use your goddess powers and encourage.[/QUOTE]

Psychedelics can really help heal us,,,,,,,, BUT for the set and setting to be healing we need to also understand mythology, otherwise --if toxic--it is used to undermine the psychedelic experience!

For an example, their myth of scientism which states you are just a robot. A bag of skin full of chemical and electrical interactions cutting us off from any deep meaningful spiritual ecstatic relationship with our surroundings because 'nature is dead' and 'without consciousness'. Hence people take psychedelics and afterwards just think it is a 'chemical buzz or ride' for getting 'fucked up'!
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
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#62
Thank you for pointing that out Smile I like our birthmom as well! She's magnificent. It is by observing nature I became a true believer of an intelligent design. It's this process of one thing building up to something more complex... And the irony in which it does that is making me scratch my head. It's so obviously there, while it is not. It's like a tail you wish to grab but keeps slipping away... Maybe in our pre-early-state as humans, the periods where scientists calls us homo erectus, females may have had a quite significant impact in the hiërarchy. They had big influence on mating, plantknowledge and gathering, ... Still, between the males there has always been this "competition" going on. This compitition has evolved men in different ways where women were always the caring and selecting ones. Then this fruits comes into play and our bicameral mind gets activated. This evolves further in time, and here it comes Zezt, we no longer adapt to our enviroment, we adapt the enviroment to us. This makes us totally different from most mammals on this planet. But with this greater structures, greater problems appear and so our evolution takes a whole differnent route. What we see last 6000 years (on a scale of billion years) is way out of control. There is no pen to write out how utterly bizar this event, civilization, truly is.
Now I look at the complexity of nature, and there's NOTHING mankind can even come up with that may even come close to the perfection nature gives us. I mean look at ants, some fungi, some parasites, ... Look how bees select their flowers and how flowers evolved into colorful artistic organisms because of its pollinators. I think we would agree on most things, but what choices should we make? You mention war, I think the whole world voted against the war in Iraq, Europe come out on the streets with mini riots, yet they went. It's now on such a huge scale politics have become powerless and thus people too.
The choices we should make are simple, stop believing and start doing it...
What does the mushroom say?
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#63
zezt a écrit :in what way, please summarize what you mean, about how you read me?


I used the word emerged where i should have used the word submerged.
What i mean Zezt is that (from what i read) i get the impression that you have a very strong idea of truth, reality and/or good and bad.
You have a very strong opinion about a lot of things, you have your own vision on and ideas about reality and the world.
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#64
Caduceus Mercurius a écrit :I'm also aware of the various conspiracy theories involving Jacques Fresco, created by right wing libertarian Christians, as well as fanatical anarchists and/or crazy people like Jan Irvin. These people oppose anything that reeks of communism (communalism) and centralized resource-management. And of course the name of Jacques concept, the Venus Project, fuels conspiracy theories involving Lucifer and the Illuminati.


CM i think you are a knucklehead.
Calling people crazy has nothing to do with context.

You are a facist pig. You just call everybody who does not believe in your fairyland venus project illuminati bullshit crazy.
CM i really respected you in the past. And i praise you for a lot of things you did.

But how can you be so stupid to just label people and call them crazy without saying anything about the context.
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#65
Caduceus Mercurius a écrit :I don't think any of the statements I have posted here in the past one or two months have been simpleminded. In fact my views are extremely complex and subtle.


Well, either I'm not intelligent at all, or the things I say aren't garbage.

But whatever your conclusion may be, don't base it on things I said in 2011 (around the time of the Occupy protests). I'm certainly not judging you on the basis of things you said a long time ago. I assume you have been refining your worldview since then.


Actually, now that you mention it, I remember why I got frustrated talking with you. Back then you were constantly replacing my words with your own (one of your favorite words was "violence", which you inserted into anything I suggested), and then arguing with me on the basis of your OWN interpretations rather than MY words. This got annoying after a while, which is why I unfriended you.


You unfriended me because i did not share your political worldwiev and did not agree on your fascist illuminati ideology.
You let political opinions come between us.
You let yourself be annoyed.

:finger:

I thought you where a friend. Friends don,t let political ideology come between them.
When you acted like you did it made me realize what sort of person you are.
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#66
Demahdi a écrit :Thank you for pointing that out Smile I like our birthmom as well! She's magnificent. It is by observing nature I became a true believer of an intelligent design. It's this process of one thing building up to something more complex... And the irony in which it does that is making me scratch my head. It's so obviously there, while it is not. It's like a tail you wish to grab but keeps slipping away...


Yes, Mystery. How can knowing know knowing? This is what darkness is to me also, it is mystery



Citation :Maybe in our pre-early-state as humans, the periods where scientists calls us homo erectus, females may have had a quite significant impact in the hiërarchy. They had big influence on mating, plantknowledge and gathering, ... Still, between the males there has always been this "competition" going on. This compitition has evolved men in different ways where women were always the caring and selecting ones.


Likes I said, you should read some women!


Citation :Then this fruits comes into play and our bicameral mind gets activated. This evolves further in time, and here it comes Zezt, we no longer adapt to our enviroment, we adapt the enviroment to us. This makes us totally different from most mammals on this planet. But with this greater structures, greater problems appear and so our evolution takes a whole differnent route. What we see last 6000 years (on a scale of billion years) is way out of control. There is no pen to write out how utterly bizar this event, civilization, truly is.


As I have said, animals also choose to find and eat psychedelics and other consciousness changing vegetation and fruits! So it is not just 'what humans do.
Citation :we no longer adapt to our enviroment, we adapt the enviroment to us

So do beavers

Citation :Now I look at the complexity of nature, and there's NOTHING mankind can even come up with that may even come close to the perfection nature gives us. I mean look at ants, some fungi, some parasites, ... Look how bees select their flowers and how flowers evolved into colorful artistic organisms because of its pollinators. I think we would agree on most things, but what choices should we make? You mention war, I think the whole world voted against the war in Iraq, Europe come out on the streets with mini riots, yet they went. It's now on such a huge scale politics have become powerless and thus people too.
The choices we should make are simple, stop believing and start doing it...
What does the mushroom say?


yes your right. Many people were against war, but the evil fuckers went ahead because it was part of a long plan. They already had plans for their invasion pre 9/11. This shows how evil and cold bloodied they are.
So how do they get others following their toxic agendas? MIND CONTROL! Their matrix of interlocking mind controls, 'education', mass media, the mental illness myth, subliminal advertizing, subliminal messaging. predictive programming, propaganda. etc

What does the mushroom say about this?

Well how are we to understand mind control? It involves rigid patterns of consciousness. We think something and even though it is self destructive---like believing in war as a way to solve some problem created we carry on with it, even joining up or sending our children, the people we love so much, to go and get maimed, and/or severely psychologically and spiritually destroyed or killed and coming home in a body bag.

I think magic mushrooms and all psychedelics help dissolve rigid patterns of thinking and feeling. Ecstasy --I love to see the term meaning 'ek' from 'stasis' a standing state. Often it is translated as 'standing outside oneself' and is used to mean the shamanistic state where the 'spirit' leaves the body. No doubt it can include that, and I have had two OBEs. But I also see the importance of understanding you can be ecstatic while as physical, and it is more the leaving rigid mindsets. because the control freaks want your mind static and in a box. they WANT you buying crap you dont need, and destroying yourself on alcohol and prescription drugs, and believing yourself to be a robot and nature to be dead. Magic mushrooms when eat with love can undo all that toxic mind control, and then when you 'come down' you begin learning all about this 'reality' you come down to which is the matrix, and learning it undermines it, because they depend us being un aware of what they are doing.
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
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#67
I have been reading into this a lot in the past. Catal Hüyük, something you should defitnitly check out if you haven't already. It's about a culture that may have reached back in time somewhere about 9000 B.C. It's a culture worshipping a "goddess earth". Even today, we call it our mother earth. Riane Eisler digs a lot deeper into this, "the chalice and the blade". As I have read in the books it was somewhere between 4500 - 2500 B.C. this martrinear civilizations took over and replaced the goddess to a god... I get a lot of cheese from Terrence's plate as I am writing this out and I am putting it in a nutshell. But this Catal Hüyük strongly suggests it was predomintaly feminine divinity that ruled its civilization . So yes, you are right on the money as far as I am concered. But should we genderize divinity?
I have heard of animals using psychedelics as well, but the realest deal I have found was cats and catmint. Then other mammals eating rotten fruits containing alcohol. If you have any information on this; I welcome it with open arms. I see why we are not so different from animals, but isn't that a paradox? Aren't we more a virus? A bacteria? A fungi? I don't know, we seem to be out of the ordinairy. Let's put it this way, what is the reality of a fly discovering an area for food and what is the reality of an astronomer looking at space for planets sustainable for life? What is the purpose of the fly and what is the purpose of a human?


I fairly agree on how you address mind control and strongly agree on the mushrooms. But honestly, what if 'their crap' stopped this very minut. Aren't we all f....d then? In stead we should sweat this out and let the Force go its course. Nevertheless, we should keep participating in making it better everyday. I find Greenpeace to be a great example, no matter how much people have been bashing them off late years. First greenpeace goes out in the oceans, try to stop whalehunters. Instead of risking their own lives (low on budget etc) they got little result... It was more a message then a real activity for stopping them. So what did Greenpeace do? They got politicly involved, made their homeworks and shared it with the people... They got some quite impressing results just reaching out to the people. I mean, the choices can be made... there's just not enough people supporting it (yet).
So what choices should we make? :p
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Demahdi a écrit :I have been reading into this a lot in the past. Catal Hüyük, something you should defitnitly check out if you haven't already. It's about a culture that may have reached back in time somewhere about 9000 B.C. It's a culture worshiping a "goddess earth". Even today, we call it our mother earth. Riane Eisler digs a lot deeper into this, "the chalice and the blade". As I have read in the books it was somewhere between 4500 - 2500 B.C. this martrinear civilizations took over and replaced the goddess to a god... I get a lot of cheese from Terrence's plate as I am writing this out and I am putting it in a nutshell. But this Catal Hüyük strongly suggests it was predominantly feminine divinity that ruled its civilization . So yes, you are right on the money as far as I am concerned. But should we genderize divinity?
I have heard of animals using psychedelics as well, but the realest deal I have found was cats and catmint. Then other mammals eating rotten fruits containing alcohol. If you have any information on this; I welcome it with open arms. I see why we are not so different from animals, but isn't that a paradox? Aren't we more a virus? A bacteria? A fungi? I don't know, we seem to be out of the ordinairy. Let's put it this way, what is the reality of a fly discovering an area for food and what is the reality of an astronomer looking at space for planets sustainable for life? What is the purpose of the fly and what is the purpose of a human?


But should we genderize divinity?


Well, the patriarchy have done and in doing so have suppressed and repressed the divine feminine and women. So I hope you agree that is wrong and has been disastrous for other humans, for all species, and planet Earth. So this mythological presumption is toxic.
We do dream in images and not words, and our VISIONS are more so images as are psychedelic experiences. Notice how the patriarchal myth begins with 'the WORD of God'. Yes, it cannot hide the very ancient images of the Goddess, of Nature, the Tree, Serpent, Fruit, etc but it then uses words to demonize all that.

I think I may have mentioned this above, but will say again, that I have found that our present culture ongoingly prefers WORDS to actual reality. For example, again and again I have seen corporations exposed for exploitation of others, and the environment. This exposure will even include undercover reporting where you can see it actually on video--REALITY. However when confronted very rarely will you ever see a member of these corporations actually meet in the flech, and especially be seen on camera. No, what they do is release a STATEMENT which is a collection of WORDS. And they will say eg they had no idea about it; that they will deal with it, and are working hard to rectify the problem; and even a problem doesn't exist.
Now this is seemingly meant to work like magic. as SOON as they release these words the investigators read them out on screen or whereever and that is that. They do not return to see IF they have resolved these issues. So it is like the words become the 'reality' and reality is not reality...? In other words they use the words to cover up what they actually carry on doing in REALITY which is exploiting other, and fukin up nature with pollution etc.

I have seen same process happen in the school system. You will have a bullied child who ends up killing themself, and then the school authorit puts out a STATEMENT, a series of WORDS that say eg: "we have a zero bullying policy" and/or "there is no evidence (?) was being bullied at sour school". And this is supposed to just magic away the actual reality that the child was very much being bullied. But the media just quote it and that is THAT, and it carries on!

So my point is that this emphasis of words over reality still holds sway in this civilization

So being open to a divine feminitiy is not just calling God a woman, it is far deeper than that. it is a going deeper than words to feeling. I am NOT saying males don't see. What the patriarchy is also affects males. it says stuff like 'real men do not show feelings, do not cry'. It prohibits psychedelics which profoundly open feeling into ecstatic realms of being
In Goddess mythology this is encouraged, and in patriarchal mythology it is not, and is forbidden, and this continues as you must agree?

A great book about animals and psychedelics is actually called that lol (there is also another one I found out about but have forgotten. If I remember I will link you to it) Animals and Psychedelics by Giorgio Samorini[h=2][/h]



Citation :I fairly agree on how you address mind control and strongly agree on the mushrooms. But honestly, what if 'their crap' stopped this very minut. Aren't we all f....d then? In stead we should sweat this out and let the Force go its course. Nevertheless, we should keep participating in making it better everyday. I find Greenpeace to be a great example, no matter how much people have been bashing them off late years. First greenpeace goes out in the oceans, try to stop whalehunters. Instead of risking their own lives (low on budget etc) they got little result... It was more a message then a real activity for stopping them. So what did Greenpeace do? They got politicly involved, made their homeworks and shared it with the people... They got some quite impressing results just reaching out to the people. I mean, the choices can be made... there's just not enough people supporting it (yet).
So what choices should we make? :p


Not sure what you mean by
Citation :what if 'their crap' stopped this very minute

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What choices should we make?

Do what you can. A big part of mind control is demoralization. it is a breaking of the spirit, and this is why some people just go into degradation via drugs (which includes alcohol because alcohol is a drug also), and living in squalor. it is like they are made to feel SO shit that that self-image affects everything. But people can also die inside and be incredibly fastidious, tidy, etc also.
They want you to consume consue and buy things you dont need. they do this by making you feel empty, and in need of stimulation. How may people do we see now walking around, sitting around, hopelessly hooked on looking at their little hand-held computers? And/or chitter chattering into them. What's all that mean? What have we lost. Why has nature become dull to us. Why are we not interested in people around us and are more interested in the gadgets. Is THIS mind control?
What products do you buy? Who from? Do the people test on animals, fuck up Earth, exploit others. As soon as I found out that Amazon exploited people that worked for them, I stopped buying from them/giving them my money, and tell as many people as possible to do same

So all these choices are for us to do. I COULD now leave this computer and go and jump in the river. i have that freedom of choice. So I also then can choose other ways to live. True many people are in such poverty that it is hand to mouth to survive. I understand that, but am very glad I dont have to suffer it, but i COULD do. But I know about it, and don't blame the people affected.
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
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#69
But are you and I the patriarchy ? Or are we having a converstation trying to overcome this event? Wink I totally agree it's wrong to demonize the female divinity. But a lot of people have awakened to this fact. I know a lot of people in my neighbourhood that "unbaptized" themselfs. I like Terrence Mckenna's idea : "Culture is an operation system." And isn't that the same with religion? So we must look beyond this religious hierarchies and create a new culture? Or attain a freedom where one can create its own culture?
I totally agree how words became an ease of mind for many people, or how words in hypotheses -which may lead up to a theory- becomes proof. Especially when it's written from someone significant , say Dawkins? Smile Oh well, let's not get into that one lol
What I'm saying is, I strongly agree with you, but most people I know would agree with you. The thing is we know all this things now, the words are been coming to us for several years. We get and understand clues little by day more and more, so I observe we are going into a new spectrum of living. But we are transforming slowly because our mind has been caged, not only by male dominance, but by our own consuming needs.
Men do cry already, the "modern man" is rising and we start doing dishes... We are doing women jobs and women are doing men jobs. This patriarchal hierarchie can only remain if we let it to be. I'm not letting it be, but some of my taxes might go there...
If their crap stopped this very minut, what would be the outcome? I mean, look at Syria and Russia and all these things manifesting in the world...
Isn't this event "mankind/civilization" peaking up to an event something evolution describes as "survival of the fittest" ? Then with all these diseases and our unique immunesystems something else like natural selection? The strong get on top and rule the hierarchie in their image of peace, the weak are filtered out... I know this may sound absurd and cruel. But the force is going its course, there's no stopping that one. In stead of looking bad at our systems, we should already use and take what's put in place. Reform it to something better. Democraty is our best option I believe, but it isn't where it should be yet. It's been frauded and corrupted. The economy has a wrong engine that needs the wrong fuel. Litarly? Wink We need a new engine and a ecological fuel. Fair trade systems should be supported more and we must push a lot of pressure on our supermarkets. Let them hear you!
Why people are still mainstreaming is because they have not yet seen the outcome of their choices. Other are just plane selfish.
I hear a lot of people coming out they want the rights to consume plants for religious reasons. Maybe everyone just should come out of the closet? Why should we pay for religions that obviously were formed on "plant insights", but forbid the plant? Where is our freedom to eat a fruit which opens a door to our deepest thoughts, or our god(s)? Why should Teonanacatl be forbidden? So if you want this goddess divinity back in your life, I would get politicaly involved. Smile I'm not saying you should become a politician. But they are repressenting you so they are obligated on replying your thoughts.
Should we call this Goddess back in our lives? If so, I think the psychedelic culture is the best key for opening that door. Should we just go to courts by mass numbers and do our homeworks? What should we do?
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I saw a great video about exposing the 9/11 false flag the other day, and will want to share it far and wide and ask the same:
September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)

Spirituality shouldn't be separate from politics. Concern for the Earth in a spiritual way is politics also. The 'politics' we are used to is horrible evil suits and ties trying to provoke wars to feed a war industry which feeds them massive profits. So a big part of the matrix is mind controlling people into believing this is 'normal reality', and that any questioning of it must mean you are 'mentally ill' and/or a 'conspiracy theorist'.

We agree that psychedelics can resolve the mind control, but also be aware that they---the powers-that-shouldn't-be---cynically know this and so try and infiltrate the psychedelic movement. Some say that Terrence McKenna was part of that mindcontrol. I have done a blog in the past where I explored how the major leaders of the psychedelic movements spanning generations, Timothy Leary, and Terrence McKenna, have both been psychedelic transhumanists. This means that their philosophy of transhumanism is same as the ones in power!!! The ones who want us RIFD chipped and hooked up to a computer so they can totally control us. So this needs looking at.

Aaron Russo in an interview claimed he became friends with one of the Rockefeller's who told him their end game was to get everyone RIFD chipped so they could turn off our money supply any time they chose and thus have ultimate control!! This information has to be taken very seriously.
The Chip, 911 and The New World Order
ALREADY we can see how the techno gadgets are hooking more and more people. You see on streets and in places peoples attention glued to their little hand-held devices. I have even seen them in beautiful parks where they are obvlvious to all the amazing events of nature and utterly mesmerized by their hand computer. So how easily they may be seduced to have these devices actually implanted in their bodies!

I do not agree with you that what is happening is meant to be, and is survival of the fittest, and is for the good. The whole point of this thread is to expose the mind control of notions such as that!
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
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#71
But control is needed in some way, right?
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#72
if someone commits crime yes. if your child misbehaves, yes. But not mind control, not controlling them without their knowledge
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
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#73
zezt a écrit :if someone commits crime yes. if your child misbehaves, yes. But not mind control, not controlling them without their knowledge


Now I'm not saying there's not a conspiracy. But if a conspiracy starts affecting your thoughts and doings, isn't that mindcontrol?
I told you about subliminal mesages in videoclips, like the latest of Kate Perry, dark horse. I mean it's full of symbols. They put their signals in plane sight... why?
And what would you rather see, a religious world or a democraty?
Shouldn't we just let this forces go its course and do our thing? It seems we share a common interest in the message that comes forth out of psychedelics. I think a lot can be found there. I have never encountered anything that could change a man instantly such as psychedelics. But we shouldn't get lost in information . In stead of putting us under control, we must demand more control over politicians as well.
They say, he who controlls the money controlls the world. Well shouldn't people controll money? Shouldn't we just ask our countries for a transparant bookkeeping? Aren't these the things we should do, getting more involved? Aren't these the only abilities we can use beyond violence?
The mass has already awakend, some refuse to recognize they've awakend, they rather sleep.
But the people that are awakened are so wide apart from eacothers thoughts and they haven't reached a consensus yet. So why shouldn't we throw all these conspiracies away and use what's already in place?
We can ask for transparancy, we can ask for our rights to consume plants, we can go on streets and talk to people...
Today we are using the wrong words, words without action. We need action... involvement.
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#74
Demahdi a écrit :Now I'm not saying there's not a conspiracy. But if a conspiracy starts affecting your thoughts and doings, isn't that mindcontrol?


If it affects your mind as in, you are being made to believe a story that did not happen, and welcome war, and go to war and send your children to war, and accept more and more of your freedoms going 'for your security from terrorism', tthen that is mind control. But the coming to see the mind control by seeing and investigating and questioning a conspiracy is not mind control obviously, because you are seeing through their tactics.
Citation :I told you about subliminal mesages in videoclips, like the latest of Kate Perry, dark horse. I mean it's full of symbols. They put their signals in plane sight... why?


As you may know this blatant stuff has been increasing relatively recently, and this is because they are more and more blatantly revealing their religion which is Luciferianism. But as I think I said here, they don't ONLY use overt symbolism but still use subliminal symbolism etc because they know this is the most powerful for mind control because it is targeted at our unconscious processes. Even the overt stuff is because people have become dissociated from mythological symbolism. We are supposed to be living in the 'age of reason' and materialistic science, and look at all of that stuff as superstition from days past.

Citation :And what would you rather see, a religious world or a democraty?


Its "democracy" btw. I would rather see neither. they USE that term 'democracy' to go around the world spreading their evil via invasion and imposing their worldview on everyone. They just say they are 'spreading democracy' just like Christians went around pushing their belief system down everyone's throat. IF you wannabe be strict, America was not a democracy to begin with, it was a Republic! That is what it is supposed to be.
The ancient form of democracy never included women or slaves, and it is really mob rule. A certain mind-controlled portion of the population supports some smiling criminal and that's your 'democracy' in a nutshell. We need a RADICAL re-think!

Citation :Shouldn't we just let this forces go its course and do our thing? It seems we share a common interest in the message that comes forth out of psychedelics. I think a lot can be found there. I have never encountered anything that could change a man instantly such as psychedelics. But we shouldn't get lost in information . In stead of putting us under control, we must demand more control over politicians as well.


I am not sure I understand what you mean? I like you really see the potential of psychedelics for undoing the spells of mind control. Mind control works by inculcating images that concretize in the mind, and create a worldview. IE 'all immigrants are bad' 'all black people are bad' 'all muslims are terrorists', 'all people on welfare are bad' 'all women are inferior' 'our 'race' are the chosen people and must take over the world' etc etc.

Mythology is the earliest form of mind control (in its toxic version), because like adverts it uses imagery and words to subliminally manage your state of perception. This is why it is very important to become aware of mythologies. To ask questions. Explore roots of symbols.
Take the Jesus myth. The believers in this myth MUST believe an actual man called Jesus from Nazareth lived in history and was crucified to pay a debt our ancestors supposedly incurred, and then resurrected on the third day and returned to his Father in heaven and will return in a future time to separate the good from the evil, etc etc. But what if we find out that this Jesus was really a mind altering mushroom initiates eat?? How does finding that out change things? it doesn't mean we have to believe that if true the mushroom IS Jesus, but it connects us with pagan myths where they also believed certain mind changing vegetation were gods. Exploring this cuts through the crap is what I mean. you get to the ROOTS which is psychedelic experience.
Now, how do you interpret psychedelic experience is an interesting question?

Citation :They say, he who controls the money controls the world. Well shouldn't people control money? Shouldn't we just ask our countries for a transparent bookkeeping? Aren't these the things we should do, getting more involved? Aren't these the only abilities we can use beyond violence?


YES! There are different levels of activism. There can be a danger in looking into the esoteric nature of the power mongers. it can feel intimidating as though they are these untouchable wizards doing all this weird shit that goes over our heads and yet is still fucking with us. BUT the practical side is also full of deception too. So we have to both research their beliefs but also take action against their actual doings with money and ecocidal actions which people who may not even be themselves aware of the deeper occult stuff actually support this authority, because they are mind controlled also.

Understand that a big part of their mind control is to make us feel it is all too complex and hopeless to stand up against.

Citation :The mass has already awakened, some refuse to recognize they've awakened, they rather sleep.
But the people that are awakened are so wide apart from each others thoughts and they haven't reached a consensus yet. So why shouldn't we throw all these conspiracies away and use what's already in place?
We can ask for transparency, we can ask for our rights to consume plants, we can go on streets and talk to people...
Today we are using the wrong words, words without action. We need action... involvement.


I agree. But this is action too. All questioning is action.
I was watching a video of a talk given by people affected by all the crap, and one guy speaking said that protesting with placards is a waste of time because it gives them the excuse to send their thugs/cops and beat us up, and throw us in jail. So is he right?
First, what did he offer as better alternative? Well in this instance he was talking about fracking, and he was saying that the reason they are pushing it is for MONEY. That's all they care about. So he suggested finding out who is getting what money, etc etc and then hound them by writing letters and demanding to know things and becomes a real thorn in their side.
I can really dig what he means, but I also believe ALL forms of protesting is important. Protesting outside shows others what it is about. But there is the danger of how they have groups (undercover cops usually hiding their identity) infiltrate these groups and then create violence which brings in the other cops and undermines the protest.

I just think we need ALL forms of protest and questioning. First becomes aware, and carry on becoming aware, and then do what you can. it all helps.
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
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zezt a écrit :If it affects your mind as in, you are being made to believe a story that did not happen, and welcome war, and go to war and send your children to war, and accept more and more of your freedoms going 'for your security from terrorism', tthen that is mind control. But the coming to see the mind control by seeing and investigating and questioning a conspiracy is not mind control obviously, because you are seeing through their tactics.


I agree, but nobody is seeing through their tactics I believe Smile


Citation :As you may know this blatant stuff has been increasing relatively recently, and this is because they are more and more blatantly revealing their religion which is Luciferianism. But as I think I said here, they don't ONLY use overt symbolism but still use subliminal symbolism etc because they know this is the most powerful for mind control because it is targeted at our unconscious processes. Even the overt stuff is because people have become dissociated from mythological symbolism. We are supposed to be living in the 'age of reason' and materialistic science, and look at all of that stuff as superstition from days past.



Well but if religion is all bull, why should we fear Luciferianism? Wink Everything is backwards already, maybe we need a devil to turn the place upside down? You believed the devil was good, remember our serpent chat?

Citation :Its "democracy" btw. I would rather see neither. they USE that term 'democracy' to go around the world spreading their evil via invasion and imposing their worldview on everyone. They just say they are 'spreading democracy' just like Christians went around pushing their belief system down everyone's throat. IF you wannabe be strict, America was not a democracy to begin with, it was a Republic! That is what it is supposed to be.
The ancient form of democracy never included women or slaves, and it is really mob rule. A certain mind-controlled portion of the population supports some smiling criminal and that's your 'democracy' in a nutshell. We need a RADICAL re-think!


Don't get me wrong, but we shouldn't romantize the ancients. The shamans lived drawn back from societies as they had their own little f.... up problems. Not all ancients lived in perfect harmony. There were a lot savage barbarian rapist among them as well. They killed a lot of people for their gods. And a lot of psycholocigal problems were going on which was easily addressed as "obsessed" which didn't turn out good for the mentally ill person. They ancients had slaves as well.

To me, democraTy (Wink thx) is the best system currently. We shouldn't just throw it away, it is more reliable and fair then a religious system ruled by a god. A democraty should be ruled by the people. I'm not saying it is perfect yet. But we should keep using it to build up to something new, better.
If we see these "gods" are oppressing people, hurting children, brainwashing them, ... then I see no wrong in destroying this god paradigm.

Citation :I am not sure I understand what you mean? I like you really see the potential of psychedelics for undoing the spells of mind control. Mind control works by inculcating images that concretize in the mind, and create a worldview. IE 'all immigrants are bad' 'all black people are bad' 'all muslims are terrorists', 'all people on welfare are bad' 'all women are inferior' 'our 'race' are the chosen people and must take over the world' etc etc.

Mythology is the earliest form of mind control (in its toxic version), because like adverts it uses imagery and words to subliminally manage your state of perception. This is why it is very important to become aware of mythologies. To ask questions. Explore roots of symbols.
Take the Jesus myth. The believers in this myth MUST believe an actual man called Jesus from Nazareth lived in history and was crucified to pay a debt our ancestors supposedly incurred, and then resurrected on the third day and returned to his Father in heaven and will return in a future time to separate the good from the evil, etc etc. But what if we find out that this Jesus was really a mind altering mushroom initiates eat?? How does finding that out change things? it doesn't mean we have to believe that if true the mushroom IS Jesus, but it connects us with pagan myths where they also believed certain mind changing vegetation were gods. Exploring this cuts through the crap is what I mean. you get to the ROOTS which is psychedelic experience.


What I meant was, we should let the force go its course. You can't stop it by observing it, you can stop it by changing our choices.
Take the islamic field. We are discussing this monotheïstic worldview of a jealous male dominant god right? What do you think islam is? It is that in the most extreme form. This makes woman often slaves, takes away their rights of freedom, takes away their birthright, ...
There is no significant value in it for the world and especially not for the psychedelic culture. It isn't about terrorism, it is about our freedom as humans. We should destroy religion by starters!
It has been hijacked such as we see in the gospels. I strongly believe real christians in the days were paganists. So I have no problem when people call Jesus a mushroom. Wink I find it liberating to read.


Citation :Now, how do you interpret psychedelic experience is an interesting question?


How do I interpret a psychedelic experience? As a unique one that leaves you stunning and wondering for months lol. I have had all sorts of moments on them, but the most intens experience was a healing one. I had feelings builded up inside of me, and they all flowed out naturally and things got setteled in my head. There was a lot of sex involved and I could see my girl for who she was (naked/soul), I saw her and all her choices and why it made everything the way it was. Things get setteled and we had something new to build up to.

The more I get involved, the more I think there's something poking into my reality and trying to contact me... or is that just my soul??? But this can come with great fear and it usualy starts off with a bad trip to stun me with its might and get me all submissive.
It started off with nice colours and crazy humorful thoughts, now it is making me cautious and a little bit affraid. Or maybe I just got less playful and less humorful and more serious? I don't know, it's a contraversional thing... So how can one interpret it else but unique?
I only do naturals and don't like salvia. I lift off with mushrooms and I love my daily smoke of bud.

Citation :YES! There are different levels of activism. There can be a danger in looking into the esoteric nature of the power mongers. it can feel intimidating as though they are these untouchable wizards doing all this weird shit that goes over our heads and yet is still fucking with us. BUT the practical side is also full of deception too. So we have to both research their beliefs but also take action against their actual doings with money and ecocidal actions which people who may not even be themselves aware of the deeper occult stuff actually support this authority, because they are mind controlled also.


So what should we do? Smile

Citation :I agree. But this is action too. All questioning is action.
I was watching a video of a talk given by people affected by all the crap, and one guy speaking said that protesting with placards is a waste of time because it gives them the excuse to send their thugs/cops and beat us up, and throw us in jail. So is he right?
First, what did he offer as better alternative? Well in this instance he was talking about fracking, and he was saying that the reason they are pushing it is for MONEY. That's all they care about. So he suggested finding out who is getting what money, etc etc and then hound them by writing letters and demanding to know things and becomes a real thorn in their side.
I can really dig what he means, but I also believe ALL forms of protesting is important. Protesting outside shows others what it is about. But there is the danger of how they have groups (undercover cops usually hiding their identity) infiltrate these groups and then create violence which brings in the other cops and undermines the protest.

I just think we need ALL forms of protest and questioning. First becomes aware, and carry on becoming aware, and then do what you can. it all helps.

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Asking is good, but the questions are leading to different assumptions.
If I asked you if you would go to a court in your country and I will go in mine, would you do it? Smile
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Demahdi a écrit :I agree, but nobody is seeing through their tactics I believe Smile


Well, I think you underestimate people. I am, and I can see this has come about via others informing me, and me finding out stuff, so I naturally share this. If some are resistant to what is shared that is their look out.




Citation :Well but if religion is all bull, why should we fear Luciferianism? Wink Everything is backwards already, maybe we need a devil to turn the place upside down? You believed the devil was good, remember our serpent chat?


I never said the devil is good. Your not paying attention :finger: Tongue I had tries to show you two interpretations of the biblical 'creation myth' of the Garden of Eden. IE in the biblical one the serpent in the Tree is the daveil or Satan, whilst the Liciferians see it as Lucifer and the 'God' as the devil. So it is the flip-side. Whereas the Goddess understanding, because the biblical myth os ripped off from the more ancient garden of the Goddess mythology, is that the serpent as many association. These include it represents the Great Mother, but also the psychedelic fruit which reveals change and the eternal are the same, and also the Guardian of the Tree as warning that eating this fruit when still having a massive ego will cause much destructive behaviour.
And we can actually seeing this happening now. We have an elite following the myth that Lucifer tells them they can be 'gods', and they interpret this to mean that via intellect, and science and technology and occultism they can totally dominate others and all of nature. They are absolutely insane. This is what the Goddess as Serpent warns against. She is nature.
We should get to know it rather than fear it. Know your enemy, because they use mind control and becoming aware of it undermines its control, obviously, because they depend on you being unaware what they are doing.

Citation :Don't get me wrong, but we shouldn't romantize the ancients. The shamans lived drawn back from societies as they had their own little f.... up problems. Not all ancients lived in perfect harmony. There were a lot savage barbarian rapist among them as well. They killed a lot of people for their gods. And a lot of psycholocigal problems were going on which was easily addressed as "obsessed" which didn't turn out good for the mentally ill person. They ancients had slaves as well.


Put it this way, before the Europeans invaded America and carried out genocide on native peoples you could drink water from the rivers! The land was fertile. Is it 'romantic' to know and say this? In our country we have lost meadows, wildflowers, woods which all species depend on. There is no such thing as 'perfect harmony' but there is far better than what mindsets totally cut off from living nature brought on all living beings!.
Things aren't good for those classed 'mentally ill' now. You are thought of as a biological robot. There is no understanding of soul. We have to be careful what we mean by 'ancient'. Yes you have had cray beliefs in the past which exploit people toom but that doesn't make the exploitation of people and animals now good. The patriarchal ancients are the roots of the problems now.

Citation :To me, democraTy (Wink thx) is the best system currently. We shouldn't just throw it away, it is more reliable and fair then a religious system ruled by a god. A democraty should be ruled by the people. I'm not saying it is perfect yet. But we should keep using it to build up to something new, better.
If we see these "gods" are oppressing people, hurting children, brainwashing them, ... then I see no wrong in destroying this god paradigm.


Answer this question, seeing that America 'the land of the free' is taking democracy to others along with bombs and drones:
Citation :Why does America perpetuate the myth that it is the only country in the world that has "freedom" and indoctrinates its citizens with this belief, when this is not supported by any facts, not agreed by the rest of the world or even by well-traveled Americans?



Citation :What I meant was, we should let the force go its course. You can't stop it by observing it, you can stop it by changing our choices.


you cannot do that without observing it.

Citation :Take the islamic field. We are discussing this monotheïstic worldview of a jealous male dominant god right? What do you think islam is? It is that in the most extreme form. This makes woman often slaves, takes away their rights of freedom, takes away their birthright, ...
There is no significant value in it for the world and especially not for the psychedelic culture. It isn't about terrorism, it is about our freedom as humans. We should destroy religion by starters!
It has been hijacked such as we see in the gospels. I strongly believe real christians in the days were paganists. So I have no problem when people call Jesus a mushroom. Wink I find it liberating to read.


well your preaching to the choir. You know what I feel about the patriarchy and the tyrant father in the sky lol But you cannot FORCE all people to just give up on that. These beliefs go very deep.



Citation :How do I interpret a psychedelic experience? As a unique one that leaves you stunning and wondering for months lol. I have had all sorts of moments on them, but the most intens experience was a healing one. I had feelings builded up inside of me, and they all flowed out naturally and things got setteled in my head. There was a lot of sex involved and I could see my girl for who she was (naked/soul), I saw her and all her choices and why it made everything the way it was. Things get setteled and we had something new to build up to.


That sounds great. Yes when I think of psychedelic experience I think of the image of flowing. it allows blocked energies to flow, which is the essence of healing

Citation :The more I get involved, the more I think there's something poking into my reality and trying to contact me... or is that just my soul??? But this can come with great fear and it usualy starts off with a bad trip to stun me with its might and get me all submissive.
It started off with nice colours and crazy humorful thoughts, now it is making me cautious and a little bit affraid. Or maybe I just got less playful and less humorful and more serious? I don't know, it's a contraversional thing... So how can one interpret it else but unique?
I only do naturals and don't like salvia. I lift off with mushrooms and I love my daily smoke of bud.



So what should we do? Smile


I call that possession. it is when the inspiration of the relationship between you and the mushroom takes you into more-than-you. More than you thought 'you' were before. And to just flow with that ecstasy. If there is fear music helps the flow flow, and the fear flow into other flows of experience. After all, fear is also energy too

What we should do is flow. I see questioning as flowing. It is curiosity. it is exploring unbounded mystery. I am currently looking into the 9/11 investigation because I feel it is VERY important, because the powers-that-shouldn't-be use it as an excuse to do the evil they continue doing including their use of drones on others. I want to be part of the group that care and wants to bring these evil people to justice. Otherwise we just live a LIE.




Citation :Asking is good, but the questions are leading to different assumptions.
If I asked you if you would go to a court in your country and I will go in mine, would you do it? Smile


I would not want to go to either. But if I had to I would want to do what this guy did:

9/11 Truth v BBC (court case 25/2/13) - Tony Rooke
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
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zezt a écrit :Well, I think you underestimate people. I am, and I can see this has come about via others informing me, and me finding out stuff, so I naturally share this. If some are resistant to what is shared that is their look out.


I don't underestimate people. But how sure can one be in the end? What if 9/11 was only semi staged and a semi real terrorist attack?

Citation :I never said the devil is good. Your not paying attention :finger: Tongue I had tries to show you two interpretations of the biblical 'creation myth' of the Garden of Eden. IE in the biblical one the serpent in the Tree is the daveil or Satan, whilst the Liciferians see it as Lucifer and the 'God' as the devil. So it is the flip-side. Whereas the Goddess understanding, because the biblical myth os ripped off from the more ancient garden of the Goddess mythology, is that the serpent as many association. These include it represents the Great Mother, but also the psychedelic fruit which reveals change and the eternal are the same, and also the Guardian of the Tree as warning that eating this fruit when still having a massive ego will cause much destructive behaviour.
And we can actually seeing this happening now. We have an elite following the myth that Lucifer tells them they can be 'gods', and they interpret this to mean that via intellect, and science and technology and occultism they can totally dominate others and all of nature. They are absolutely insane. This is what the Goddess as Serpent warns against. She is nature.
We should get to know it rather than fear it. Know your enemy, because they use mind control and becoming aware of it undermines its control, obviously, because they depend on you being unaware what they are doing.


Lolz! Smile I like your strong oppinion Zezt. But in the end, do you believe in the devil and do you believe in god? People are moving away from religion, others still practicing religion are mostly oppressing women. There is no more liberating system in the world for women then a democracy, dont you agree?

Citation :Put it this way, before the Europeans invaded America and carried out genocide on native peoples you could drink water from the rivers! The land was fertile. Is it 'romantic' to know and say this? In our country we have lost meadows, wildflowers, woods which all species depend on. There is no such thing as 'perfect harmony' but there is far better than what mindsets totally cut off from living nature brought on all living beings!.
Things aren't good for those classed 'mentally ill' now. You are thought of as a biological robot. There is no understanding of soul. We have to be careful what we mean by 'ancient'. Yes you have had cray beliefs in the past which exploit people toom but that doesn't make the exploitation of people and animals now good. The patriarchal ancients are the roots of the problems now.


Yeah ups and downs... I think it would've been better when both types of civilizations fused into a whole new "something" lol. But the corrupted desire for the more did not allow this...
Allthough, I still think both sides had their ups and downs, these outcomes were univetable Wink It is the flow of the force Zezt .

Europeans were paganist as well, druids etc. But Rome was a strong empire Zezt... What went on in the new world was something they already whiped out here and replaced by something else, you call it the patriarchal.

Citation :Answer this question, seeing that America 'the land of the free' is taking democracy to others along with bombs and drones:


We are most definitly not free, but we sure are the most free. I think we need to build up on this system and keep thriving for change. We can choose politicly on parties who prefer a foreign war strategy or we can choose for parties who prefer a foreign peace strategy. I know how corrupted this system is, but as you said to me before, "I think you underestimate people". I rather see it as people making the wrong choices which are coming together in bad ways... Now with 7 billion people on a small rock with limited sources this is univetably peaking up to something like a painful labour.

Citation :you cannot do that without observing it.


When you are observing something which is a "problem" you are already too late and the wrong choices are already been made.

Citation :well your preaching to the choir. You know what I feel about the patriarchy and the tyrant father in the sky lol But you cannot FORCE all people to just give up on that. These beliefs go very deep.


Here's a shocker: YES WE CAN!!! Confusednakeman:
When people belief they can FORCE their belief to their children, what is that?
When people are captivated because they do not apply to the needs of their religion, which is their surrounded area, what is that?
We are already forcing this and that to one and another. They are approved laws telling you not to smoke in bars, not to make loud music after 10pm, ...
That's a democracy zezt Smile A consensus of the majority.

Citation :That sounds great. Yes when I think of psychedelic experience I think of the image of flowing. it allows blocked energies to flow, which is the essence of healing


Yeah, but it can come with great disturbance at first. Too overwhelming...

Citation :I call that possession. it is when the inspiration of the relationship between you and the mushroom takes you into more-than-you. More than you thought 'you' were before. And to just flow with that ecstasy. If there is fear music helps the flow flow, and the fear flow into other flows of experience. After all, fear is also energy too


I have addressed this before as "the elephant in the room". This possession can run way out of hand zezt. My girlfriend is always sober, doesn't smoke, doesn't drink, doesn't eat meat, ... A real gaian spirit you may say. She has it all together and is well educated with high degrees. Now this is a sober person not having done anything at all. But when I told her there was a prescense in the room, she comfirmed without any doubt there was something "different". I am not going to sketch out the entire situation because it involves 4 trips following in a period of 2 months. It was the most insane project I ever started. There most definitly was some way of interaction between me and ... "something". But I think this something is poking in way too hard sometimes even at small doses... so quite honestly? It scares the shit out of me lol. Then this events starts building up another coincedence after another when one starts asking if this is quite alright?
It's like a big party you're invited to, and you don't know if you're dancing with the devil or with an angel...

Citation :What we should do is flow. I see questioning as flowing. It is curiosity. it is exploring unbounded mystery. I am currently looking into the 9/11 investigation because I feel it is VERY important, because the powers-that-shouldn't-be use it as an excuse to do the evil they continue doing including their use of drones on others. I want to be part of the group that care and wants to bring these evil people to justice. Otherwise we just live a LIE.



If you feel it is important, you must follow your guts.
Deep down inside, I think the most of us people already know. But are already comfortable in their little box in front of their other box telling them what to believe. I don't underestimate people, but it is going to take something big to wake them all up at once.
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This lightbulb went on!!!
Has anyone read the gospels of Thomas? The Nag Hammadi???
How Jesus gave His Church to a woman? Maria, probably his wife.
And how Petrus responds very Jealous to this? Wouldn't he have been jealous of Judas as well then???

Jesus said His Church should be led by a woman, do you understand what this means?
And that His Church is not to be found in a building.
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Demahdi a écrit :I don't underestimate people. But how sure can one be in the end? What if 9/11 was only semi staged and a semi real terrorist attack?


Don't understand? All evidence points to deliberate long planning and carrying out by people OTHER then the so-called 19 hijackers armed with boxcutters. All that is an absurd BS myth.



Citation :Lolz! Smile I like your strong oppinion Zezt. But in the end, do you believe in the devil and do you believe in god? People are moving away from religion, others still practicing religion are mostly oppressing women. There is no more liberating system in the world for women then a democracy, dont you agree?


The devil is the creation of the Christians. You can actually see how they create him when you study the history of the devil.
However what you ask is very complex because these mythical archetypes once set in motion into the imagination can possess people and groups. Doesn't mean they are 'real', but of someone does something very evil to someone you love because 'the devil made him do it' it is of course VERy real then. People can have NDEs where they have hellish experiences, or heavenly experience. So what does this mean? Well I do not see it meaning that the myth of everlasting hell is real, but that there is a dynamic of extremes that can be experienced in different realms or dimensions of experience, yet these experiences are not static
Take a regular day, in the morning you may feel good, and then something may happen and by afternoon you may be pissed off, and this mood colours how you see others, etc, and by evening you may feel something entirely different. it is changing all the time. Even feeling ecstatic changes. There is often a build up and then a climax and then a descent, etc

Like said the very beginnings of democracy in ancient Greece did not include women and people who were enslaved. There is alot of talk about how free women are in our culture, because this is contrasted with women in cultures which have women wearing veils etc, etc. But isn't it true that may women here have to work and dont have much time with their kids if they have any, and there is pressure to join the man's business world which many men hate? So no I don't agree. yes I can see they can wear what they want, but many women now are hopelessly addicted to alcohol, and this must be a a result of some great loss they feel as do men. A deep spiritual loss, and also the overall oppression of this culture which affects body, mind and soul.


Citation :Yeah ups and downs... I think it would've been better when both types of civilizations fused into a whole new "something" lol. But the corrupted desire for the more did not allow this...
Allthough, I still think both sides had their ups and downs, these outcomes were univetable Wink It is the flow of the force Zezt .


Yes that is the change. The natural change of life, but the powers-that-couldn't-be do not like change unless they control it--'ORDER AB CHAO' "order out of chaos". it is they who want to control your reality as if you are their robot. THIS we have to become aware of.
Citation :Europeans were paganist as well, druids etc. But Rome was a strong empire Zezt... What went on in the new world was something they already whiped out here and replaced by something else, you call it the patriarchal.


Well Rome was pagan, but it was solar paganism which is on par with the patriarchy. it is dualistic, and militaristic, and wants to swallow everyone and the world up. This continues now with the those who see themselves connected with such fascist empires.



Citation :We are most definitly not free, but we sure are the most free. I think we need to build up on this system and keep thriving for change. We can choose politicly on parties who prefer a foreign war strategy or we can choose for parties who prefer a foreign peace strategy. I know how corrupted this system is, but as you said to me before, "I think you underestimate people". I rather see it as people making the wrong choices which are coming together in bad ways... Now with 7 billion people on a small rock with limited sources this is univetably peaking up to something like a painful labour.


I don't know if 'we' are. I don't fee it.


Citation :When you are observing something which is a "problem" you are already too late and the wrong choices are already been made.


FIRST you gotta see it

Citation :Here's a shocker: YES WE CAN!!! Confusednakeman:
When people belief they can FORCE their belief to their children, what is that?
When people are captivated because they do not apply to the needs of their religion, which is their surrounded area, what is that?
We are already forcing this and that to one and another. They are approved laws telling you not to smoke in bars, not to make loud music after 10pm, ...
That's a democracy zezt Smile A consensus of the majority.


Well fuck the majority. Often the majority are a group of mind controlled robots led by a predatory gang of suits. You have to see what is right for yourself and not allow mob rule to push you into beliving destructive things and doing same. This may means just you alone.


Citation :Yeah, but it can come with great disturbance at first. Too overwhelming...


Of course. It isn't always all sweetness and light. Ecstasy often can include the deepest terror.
Citation :I have addressed this before as "the elephant in the room". This possession can run way out of hand zezt. My girlfriend is always sober, doesn't smoke, doesn't drink, doesn't eat meat, ... A real gaian spirit you may say. She has it all together and is well educated with high degrees. Now this is a sober person not having done anything at all. But when I told her there was a prescense in the room, she comfirmed without any doubt there was something "different". I am not going to sketch out the entire situation because it involves 4 trips following in a period of 2 months. It was the most insane project I ever started. There most definitly was some way of interaction between me and ... "something". But I think this something is poking in way too hard sometimes even at small doses... so quite honestly? It scares the shit out of me lol. Then this events starts building up another coincedence after another when one starts asking if this is quite alright?
It's like a big party you're invited to, and you don't know if you're dancing with the devil or with an angel...


When I speak of possession I don't really mean as in taken over by A 'spirit', but a sense of total abandon to flowingness. I see inner and outer interrelated and when in ecstasy this becomes deeply apparent, and so not to fight it but just go with it. I encourage singing, chanting and making music and dancing, or rolling around. Just abandoning oneself to ecstatic flow




Citation :If you feel it is important, you must follow your guts.
Deep down inside, I think the most of us people already know. But are already comfortable in their little box in front of their other box telling them what to believe. I don't underestimate people, but it is going to take something big to wake them all up at once.


well it starts with ourselves, and if others are interested then that is OK, if they are not they aint. Some just don't get it
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
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Demahdi a écrit :This lightbulb went on!!!
Has anyone read the gospels of Thomas? The Nag Hammadi???
How Jesus gave His Church to a woman? Maria, probably his wife.
And how Petrus responds very Jealous to this? Wouldn't he have been jealous of Judas as well then???

Jesus said His Church should be led by a woman, do you understand what this means?
And that His Church is not to be found in a building.


Sounds like Goddess religion lol
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
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zezt a écrit :Sounds like Goddess religion lol


I think Jesus understood what was whiped out before and tried to change it subtle.
He understood the current hiërarchies were build upon war, aggression, suppression, ...
That's why He said not to bring peace by the sword, but by knowledge.
He tried to get in everyones head, maybe He did use psychedelics back then for his students. I strongly belief He did. I also believe the Church has captivated this true message Jesus brought to the people.
And yes, He did give his full authority to Maria, a woman. Petrus was quite jealous. And the gospels in the bible aren't authentique at all. But you can bet Thomas' gospel is.
It is quite striking how they change everything in the books to an opposite.

So let me ask you this, do you believe Jesus walked the earth? l believe Jesus wasn't the only one, but it was a dawn for mankind where this christ energy arose strongly in the flows produced by psychedelics.
But as we all come down from this psychedlics, this christ energy isn't the only flow flowing into life... There's this evil inside of us taking over the place constantly. Yeah I know what you think, male dominance hahaha Smile But how are we to overcome this ?
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Demahdi a écrit :I think Jesus understood what was whiped out before and tried to change it subtle.
He understood the current hiërarchies were build upon war, aggression, suppression, ...
That's why He said not to bring peace by the sword, but by knowledge.
He tried to get in everyones head, maybe He did use psychedelics back then for his students. I strongly belief He did. I also believe the Church has captivated this true message Jesus brought to the people.
And yes, He did give his full authority to Maria, a woman. Petrus was quite jealous. And the gospels in the bible aren't authentique at all. But you can bet Thomas' gospel is.
It is quite striking how they change everything in the books to an opposite.

So let me ask you this, do you believe Jesus walked the earth? l believe Jesus wasn't the only one, but it was a dawn for mankind where this christ energy arose strongly in the flows produced by psychedelics.
But as we all come down from this psychedlics, this christ energy isn't the only flow flowing into life... There's this evil inside of us taking over the place constantly. Yeah I know what you think, male dominance hahaha Smile But how are we to overcome this ?


The major problem with the Jesus myth from a Goddess oriented perspective is that in the myth--which is supposed to be taken to be literal and historical--has the 'god~man' die, resurrect and then leave nature, leave Earth and 'return' to his 'father' in 'heaven' and not be born again in a mother's womb. So this myth is a radical difference from earlier pagan god-man myths where the born-again god recycles as nature does. So, therefore it creates the mythic disdain for nature--for us being nature, and changing like nature does via death birth and regeneration.

So why, where would this idea come from?

Well a clue could be, that if the myth is a kind of deep secret analogy of the consciousness-changing psychedelic mushrooms, and therefore like other pagan gods who were the names of the actual 'sacred mushrooms' that you eat and became possessed by the god, then IF it became assumed that the amazing mushrooms came from above, and Earth was not their origin, like other plants who seed themselves, then the myth would follow that assumption that the goal is to return from whence the mushrooms are supposed to come from---above, as 'God'. This is what John Allegro explains in his book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross. He says how ancient people had no microscopic technology which would let them see how mushrooms progenerate via microscopic seeds known as spores!
So this idea of the mushroom being their god can be understood via this biblical verse which is both literal and hidden at the same time:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth"
(John, 1-16).

IE they are seeing their mushroom' god as being the enfleshed source of the 'Word' or 'Logos'. These myth makers write down words and call it the 'word of God' and they most likely would use the mushrooms and possibly other plants in this way. And then the words become literally set in stone. of course they would also use words and themes from earlier myths too.

So to summarize: IF they assumed that these magic mushrooms came from above without any seed accept 'God's seed' (they believed they came with thunder and lightning storms), then their cosmological emphasis was on the 'above' versus 'down here'. In their myth 'here'/nature/Earth.thebody, our natures is 'fallen' and their 'God' who is 'up there' is pure good spirit. And so the goal is to get to leave earth and/or at some future date--the 'Last Days/Judgement' their up-there-god' will return to 'down-here' and MAKE Earth pure again, as it was supposed to be before 'the fall'.

Now all of that idea is counter to what Goddess religion is all about. In Goddess mythology nature and the body, and death rebirth and regeneration is sacred. There is no guilting people that they are bad and need to 'become pure' to escape nature, and mamas womb or that nature needs making pure.


Citation :So let me ask you this, do you believe Jesus walked the earth? l believe Jesus wasn't the only one, but it was a dawn for mankind where this christ energy arose strongly in the flows produced by psychedelics.
But as we all come down from this psychedelics, this christ energy isn't the only flow flowing into life... There's this evil inside of us taking over the place constantly. Yeah I know what you think, male dominance hahaha Smile But how are we to overcome this ?


There is no actual historical evidence a Jesus of Nazareth existed.

The idea of an 'evil inside of us' which is trying to destroy the 'good', and take us over comes from patriarchal belief systems who create the scenario of a battle between good and evil. Their myths envisage that you can have an independent 'good' and an independent 'evil' and one can completely obliterate the other. This is patriarchal dualism.
In reality good and bad are extremes of experience, but these extremes are not separate entities but are part of a living dynamic whereby you cannot have one without the other, or KNOW one without the other.

An example: look at the screen you are reading this from, and become aware of how there is black text on a lighter or white background. Now in order to read, and understand the meaning of what your reading, or typing, you need both the black and white, right? If I was typing in just white you couldn't see and KNOW my words, or meaning could you? And if I was typing black text on a black ground or space you couldn't see the text either. So the black and white is a dynamic needed for the experience of reading and typing.
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
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zezt a écrit :Don't understand? All evidence points to deliberate long planning and carrying out by people OTHER then the so-called 19 hijackers armed with boxcutters. All that is an absurd BS myth.


Makes you wonder about all the rest in the history books huh? If this is how history is written, then what is our future to come?

Citation :The devil is the creation of the Christians. You can actually see how they create him when you study the history of the devil.
However what you ask is very complex because these mythical archetypes once set in motion into the imagination can possess people and groups. Doesn't mean they are 'real', but of someone does something very evil to someone you love because 'the devil made him do it' it is of course VERy real then. People can have NDEs where they have hellish experiences, or heavenly experience. So what does this mean? Well I do not see it meaning that the myth of everlasting hell is real, but that there is a dynamic of extremes that can be experienced in different realms or dimensions of experience, yet these experiences are not static
Take a regular day, in the morning you may feel good, and then something may happen and by afternoon you may be pissed off, and this mood colours how you see others, etc, and by evening you may feel something entirely different. it is changing all the time. Even feeling ecstatic changes. There is often a build up and then a climax and then a descent, etc


Oh zezt, I was hoping we could look beyond that. The Christian religion is hijacked. But the devil isn't a person like god is a person. Look at christ and the devil in energyflows created in life by humans. This energy is very real as we see them all around us. I hope we can look at this with an open mind. I understood well you look far beyond the myth, ... But we mustn't overlook what was blacked out back then in my oppinion.

Citation :Like said the very beginnings of democracy in ancient Greece did not include women and people who were enslaved. There is alot of talk about how free women are in our culture, because this is contrasted with women in cultures which have women wearing veils etc, etc. But isn't it true that may women here have to work and dont have much time with their kids if they have any, and there is pressure to join the man's business world which many men hate? So no I don't agree. yes I can see they can wear what they want, but many women now are hopelessly addicted to alcohol, and this must be a a result of some great loss they feel as do men. A deep spiritual loss, and also the overall oppression of this culture which affects body, mind and soul.


But today there aren't slaves. Well not in that form anymore Smile Democracy is a changeble system, well religious systems are not. You see my point? Smile Democracy leaves room for differiations and isn't absolute.
I think this goes far beyond women and alcohol, ... The spiritual loss is for you to find again, and I believe we have a great field of exploring in our Western society.
I mean, who's going to kill for you speaking your beliefs out loud? Who's going to say what to wear or not? Nobody has forced women to join the business world, they wanted to do that themselfs and we should applaud that zezt!

Citation :Yes that is the change. The natural change of life, but the powers-that-couldn't-be do not like change unless they control it--'ORDER AB CHAO' "order out of chaos". it is they who want to control your reality as if you are their robot. THIS we have to become aware of.


And what if awareness brings along the understanding that this forces are univetable?
You are not a robot, only if you let them to be...

Citation :Well Rome was pagan, but it was solar paganism which is on par with the patriarchy. it is dualistic, and militaristic, and wants to swallow everyone and the world up. This continues now with the those who see themselves connected with such fascist empires.


That's why we should keep participating and speak our oppinion. If have nothing to compare to, but I believe things only gotten better and that these things are settled automaticly by a force acting up on all our choices made in free will... We are free and we are not, we just worry about the wrong things which captivates ourselfs... "Something something something and something Buddha might say"


Citation :I don't know if 'we' are. I don't fee it.
FIRST you gotta see it


I don't mean to be rude by this, but I'm going to point something out. Travel to Yemen, speak out loud about a goddess religion and if you make it back you are strongly aware of your freedom.
Yeah we see it, but we don't know what we got until it's gone. And if we don't like what we are seeing, stopt feeding it and keep participating Wink

Citation :Well fuck the majority. Often the majority are a group of mind controlled robots led by a predatory gang of suits. You have to see what is right for yourself and not allow mob rule to push you into beliving destructive things and doing same. This may means just you alone.


When you are born to become a housewife and your father thinks paying for education is a waste, because your husband is already chosen for you, .... isn't that a robot?
But a majority there thinks that's alright, those who don't agree migrate to Western countries.
Which majority should we fuck zezt? Wink

Citation :Of course. It isn't always all sweetness and light. Ecstasy often can include the deepest terror.


Yeah, but why now? I have been sick before my trips started, but never like this.. It's insane! Smile

Citation :When I speak of possession I don't really mean as in taken over by A 'spirit', but a sense of total abandon to flowingness. I see inner and outer interrelated and when in ecstasy this becomes deeply apparent, and so not to fight it but just go with it. I encourage singing, chanting and making music and dancing, or rolling around. Just abandoning oneself to ecstatic flow


Yes I know, I just think there's something huge beyond this curtain of reality... And when it does poke in, it's something biblical one has no control over. I dare not speak of this, for you will make me a lunatic. Which you may already have, but let's not make things worse Big Grin lol


Citation :well it starts with ourselves, and if others are interested then that is OK, if they are not they aint. Some just don't get it


But what should we do with ourselves? Start a goddess church?
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Demahdi a écrit :Makes you wonder about all the rest in the history books huh? If this is how history is written, then what is our future to come?


you mean his story? 8) Orwell rightly saw "those who control the past control the future"
Citation :Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” ― George Orwell, 1984

This is why it is very important to become aware of their matrix. They are doing this with terrible planned atrocities like 9/11 etc. Creating mythic pasts so as to control now and the future.

Citation :Oh zezt, I was hoping we could look beyond that. The Christian religion is hijacked. But the devil isn't a person like god is a person. Look at christ and the devil in energyflows created in life by humans. This energy is very real as we see them all around us. I hope we can look at this with an open mind. I understood well you look far beyond the myth, ... But we mustn't overlook what was blacked out back then in my oppinion.


IS God a person? Not clear what you mean "what was blacked out back then"?


Citation :But today there aren't slaves. Well not in that form anymore Smile Democracy is a changeble system, well religious systems are not. You see my point? Smile Democracy leaves room for differiations and isn't absolute.
I think this goes far beyond women and alcohol, ... The spiritual loss is for you to find again, and I believe we have a great field of exploring in our Western society.
I mean, who's going to kill for you speaking your beliefs out loud? Who's going to say what to wear or not? Nobody has forced women to join the business world, they wanted to do that themselfs and we should applaud that zezt!


I love you but you seem naive Smile 'Slavery' is by degrees. When people HAVE to work or have money cut off which can mean ending up sleeping on the streets, and women feeling they have to go on the game to feed their kids, etc this is slavery. To do a job you hate is slavery. To do awful jobs that destroy health, physical menatal and spiritualiy is slavery. Your body, and energy, becomes the property of the one that gives or takes away you money-to-'live'. You can call it what you want, but many people are not happy and more and more people are on psychiatric medication. The whole myth of 'mental illness' is also mind control, and a big central part of their matrix.
I am thinking you live in Holland? If so, out of all Europe, Holland has been the most liberal, and there has been far more freedom there than nearly anywhere else. Freedom to grow and ingest cannabis, and psychedelics. So if so maybe you are judging your experience there with other places?
Of course we could go through the patriarchal matrix, and point finger at other places that are worse. How in some Muslim countries it is considered a heinous crime against 'God' and the 'prophet' to leave the religion, etc etc etc. Also in Israel it is very racist, and in Uganda if you are gay you can find yourself persecuted and even killed, and there has been a call for State execution for being gay there. And sadly other African countries, including places like Jamaica, are VERY homophobic. So you can look at that and then look 'here' and think that here then is 'the way'. But I am NOT seeing that.
For one, it is a fasle sense of 'freedom'. I love this quote by Frank Zappa:
Citation :[h=3]"The illusion of freedom [in America] will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater."[/h]



Go and ask black and other ethnic peoples in America the 'land of the free' whether they agree with you. A,erica has the largest prison complex EVER in the wolrd that enslaves a massive percent of black and ethnic peoples, and it is made into a fukin industry!! Innocent people who live in poor black neighbourhoods have had to put up with SWAT teams busting into their houses at all times, and shooting mothers children. it is horrendous. So if you think slavery ended for black people, think again. So there is that fact.
And then there is the fact that the very reason people in the west, including Holland can get cheap goods, tecno gadgets and clothes etc, is because the corporations 'outsource' the work to people out of sight in poor countries where people are expecting to work like slaves for a pittance!
Then there is the DEBT slavery. Check this out: YOU Are A Slave and Here's How - MOC #234





Citation :And what if awareness brings along the understanding that this forces are univetable?
You are not a robot, only if you let them to be...


Whole point of this thread is to encourage the waking up to the myth that we are supposed to be robots. But the only way we can do this is making effort to LOOK and undermine what they are doing. it doesn't have to be all serious. In fact the doing of this begins bringing you closer and deeper into contact with ecstatic living nature

Citation :That's why we should keep participating and speak our oppinion. If have nothing to compare to, but I believe things only gotten better and that these things are settled automaticly by a force acting up on all our choices made in free will... We are free and we are not, we just worry about the wrong things which captivates ourselfs... "Something something something and something Buddha might say"


Thing is to see the chains that bind. Nothing worse than pretending you dont. And this also make others feel shit because it means you dont feel THEIR chains



Citation :I don't mean to be rude by this, but I'm going to point something out. Travel to Yemen, speak out loud about a goddess religion and if you make it back you are strongly aware of your freedom.
Yeah we see it, but we don't know what we got until it's gone. And if we don't like what we are seeing, stopt feeding it and keep participating Wink


I have covered this above. I am saying eg--yes, the patriarchy has taken over most of the world. Some places are very extreme. But the reason you dont dig how OUR shit is extreme is that you are not aware of it. What the west has been up to is VERY evil and oppressive. It seems you imagine it has payed no part on the oppression you see elsewhere? that is not so. That myth of 'how great the west is with his cowboy hat on, and his 'freedom' is his story



Citation :When you are born to become a housewife and your father thinks paying for education is a waste, because your husband is already chosen for you, .... isn't that a robot?
But a majority there thinks that's alright, those who don't agree migrate to Western countries.
Which majority should we fuck zezt? Wink


Hear of Aaron Russo (I dont want to inudate you with videos but will link you later). Well he claims in an interview he did that he became friendly with one of the Rockefellers, and this guy, Nick Rockefeller confessed to him 11 months before 9/11 happened that there was going to be an "event" (didn't say it was 9/11) and this would give excuse for 'us' to invade Iraq, Afghanistan, and etc. And he also said that they were behind the 'Feminism movement'---because they wanted to get control of the children, and also get more money from working women. He also said their end goal was to get every one shipped with RIFD chips so they would have complete control over people. they could take money instantly from you and if needed turn you money supply off!
Now it makes sense. Regarding 'Feminism'--IS being part of the manic cut-throat male corporate world liberation for women...?


Citation :Yeah, but why now? I have been sick before my trips started, but never like this.. It's insane! Smile


Please can you tell me in as much detail as possible your experiences?

Citation :Yes I know, I just think there's something huge beyond this curtain of reality... And when it does poke in, it's something biblical one has no control over. I dare not speak of this, for you will make me a lunatic. Which you may already have, but let's not make things worse Big Grin lol


I think you underestimate me a little here. I am VERY interested in all of this. Please go as deep as you like with me, and I will never judge you. Have you hear of John Weir Perry? I read his book Trials of a Visionary Mind all about how people classed by this culture "schizophrenic" were given a loving caring space provided by Perry and others, where psychiatric drugs were not mandatory, and people were respected and asked to share their experiences which were VERY mythical. And this place called DIABASIS had great success helping people without having to become chronic lifelong psychiatric patients.
This culture frear extreme experience, and this fear also includes psychedelic experience. But it is CRUCIAL we understand this because so many people who go through these states are utterly abused, disrespected and damaged because of the toxic drugs they force on them. There is an enormous pressure from the mega-billions pharmaceutical industry to keep the mental illness myth going, and they target more and more children now with thier fucking drugs.
So as you can see I am passionate about this and you can trust me to respect your experiences and listen


Citation :But what should we do with ourselves? Start a goddess church?


the 'Goddess church' is nature Smile
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
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zezt a écrit :you mean his story? 8) Orwell rightly saw "those who control the past control the future" This is why it is very important to become aware of their matrix. They are doing this with terrible planned atrocities like 9/11 etc. Creating mythic pasts so as to control now and the future.


Good one Smile

Citation :IS God a person? Not clear what you mean "what was blacked out back then"?


Yes zezt, I'm finally coming out of the closet. It was me all along.
They blacked out the message that we need no religious hiërarchies to attain spiritual freedom, but enlightenment is within all of us. And that men and women are equal, such as all humans.
Jesus flesh might indeed be a mushroom! If that is the case and this can be proven, as He had a wife which He gave his authority to, do you know what this means??? Smile

Citation :I love you but you seem naive Smile 'Slavery' is by degrees. When people HAVE to work or have money cut off which can mean ending up sleeping on the streets, and women feeling they have to go on the game to feed their kids, etc this is slavery. To do a job you hate is slavery. To do awful jobs that destroy health, physical menatal and spiritualiy is slavery. Your body, and energy, becomes the property of the one that gives or takes away you money-to-'live'. You can call it what you want, but many people are not happy and more and more people are on psychiatric medication. The whole myth of 'mental illness' is also mind control, and a big central part of their matrix.


Yes in degrees. But we should be careful what we wish for. What if nobody needs to work anymore and machines start doing everything. We are with 7 billion people zezt. It got very complicated. You can not expect everyone to be free. "My freedom stops where yours begins".
I feel your point strongly, but please try to look beyond this negative image. The system is fucked up, but we need it to build up to another. That's how everythings work. When you take away everything at once, anarchy will take over.

Citation :I am thinking you live in Holland? If so, out of all Europe, Holland has been the most liberal, and there has been far more freedom there than nearly anywhere else. Freedom to grow and ingest cannabis, and psychedelics. So if so maybe you are judging your experience there with other places?
Of course we could go through the patriarchal matrix, and point finger at other places that are worse. How in some Muslim countries it is considered a heinous crime against 'God' and the 'prophet' to leave the religion, etc etc etc. Also in Israel it is very racist, and in Uganda if you are gay you can find yourself persecuted and even killed, and there has been a call for State execution for being gay there. And sadly other African countries, including places like Jamaica, are VERY homophobic. So you can look at that and then look 'here' and think that here then is 'the way'. But I am NOT seeing that.
For one, it is a fasle sense of 'freedom'. I love this quote by Frank Zappa:


Close to Holland, but regular visitor Wink. My country is voting against drugs, zero tolerance. And trust me, we had our issues in the media with our pedofile priests etc. Guessed it yet? Wink Huge talk of separation and society here is in big distress. So no, I'm not judging from an Holland experience, more like a Brussels experience. All religious countries are fucked up, but democratic countries have known peace (among eachother lol) for decades now. And people are free to say and think whatever they want.

Maybe we are never free until tomorrow which we create today.

Citation :Go and ask black and other ethnic peoples in America the 'land of the free' whether they agree with you. A,erica has the largest prison complex EVER in the wolrd that enslaves a massive percent of black and ethnic peoples, and it is made into a fukin industry!! Innocent people who live in poor black neighbourhoods have had to put up with SWAT teams busting into their houses at all times, and shooting mothers children. it is horrendous. So if you think slavery ended for black people, think again. So there is that fact.
And then there is the fact that the very reason people in the west, including Holland can get cheap goods, tecno gadgets and clothes etc, is because the corporations 'outsource' the work to people out of sight in poor countries where people are expecting to work like slaves for a pittance!
Then there is the DEBT slavery. Check this out: YOU Are A Slave and Here's How - MOC #234



Of course a black american in the ghetto is going to reply totally different to that question then a black american who finished is P.H.D. There are already products that carry clean karma and already zero waste shops in the west. People just don't choose enough to support the products.

Citation :Whole point of this thread is to encourage the waking up to the myth that we are supposed to be robots. But the only way we can do this is making effort to LOOK and undermine what they are doing. it doesn't have to be all serious. In fact the doing of this begins bringing you closer and deeper into contact with ecstatic living nature


They are forbidding the fruit but nobody is willing to come out of the closet to reclaim the fruit.
They are sucking out the earth to manifacture products we buy.
So you see zezt, it's a two way street. We can see what we are doing, but we keep making the same choices.

Citation :Thing is to see the chains that bind. Nothing worse than pretending you dont. And this also make others feel shit because it means you dont feel THEIR chains



I see the chains. But we mustn't fight them off and lose all our power with it. Instead we must use what's already in place and give that our full support.


Citation :I have covered this above. I am saying eg--yes, the patriarchy has taken over most of the world. Some places are very extreme. But the reason you dont dig how OUR shit is extreme is that you are not aware of it. What the west has been up to is VERY evil and oppressive. It seems you imagine it has payed no part on the oppression you see elsewhere? that is not so. That myth of 'how great the west is with his cowboy hat on, and his 'freedom' is his story


But it was ... yes ... univetable. There is no right and there is no wrong when it comes to things like this...
They're just cultural systems building up and I wouldn't wanna live anywhere else then the West. Don't you love Europe?

Citation :Hear of Aaron Russo (I dont want to inudate you with videos but will link you later). Well he claims in an interview he did that he became friendly with one of the Rockefellers, and this guy, Nick Rockefeller confessed to him 11 months before 9/11 happened that there was going to be an "event" (didn't say it was 9/11) and this would give excuse for 'us' to invade Iraq, Afghanistan, and etc. And he also said that they were behind the 'Feminism movement'---because they wanted to get control of the children, and also get more money from working women. He also said their end goal was to get every one shipped with RIFD chips so they would have complete control over people. they could take money instantly from you and if needed turn you money supply off!
Now it makes sense. Regarding 'Feminism'--IS being part of the manic cut-throat male corporate world liberation for women...?


Yeah I heard of that. You already have a chip. Why would they want to put it in our skin?
They can block all your accounts already, whipe your existence out in a second, and they have face recognization. Smartphones included ... so privacy is gone. Welcome in BB society...

Citation :Please can you tell me in as much detail as possible your experiences?


It is very personal, ...

Citation :I think you underestimate me a little here. I am VERY interested in all of this. Please go as deep as you like with me, and I will never judge you. Have you hear of John Weir Perry? I read his book Trials of a Visionary Mind all about how people classed by this culture "schizophrenic" were given a loving caring space provided by Perry and others, where psychiatric drugs were not mandatory, and people were respected and asked to share their experiences which were VERY mythical. And this place called DIABASIS had great success helping people without having to become chronic lifelong psychiatric patients.
This culture frear extreme experience, and this fear also includes psychedelic experience. But it is CRUCIAL we understand this because so many people who go through these states are utterly abused, disrespected and damaged because of the toxic drugs they force on them. There is an enormous pressure from the mega-billions pharmaceutical industry to keep the mental illness myth going, and they target more and more children now with thier fucking drugs.
So as you can see I am passionate about this and you can trust me to respect your experiences and listen


Yeah I heard some of him. But not that much. Let me put it in a nutshell for you.

Well I think there's something trying to communicate with me. My girlfriend doesn't smoke, drink, doesn't do psychedelics, doesn't eat meat. She's my sitter.
It all started after I picked up psycedelics again. I hadn't used them since years. I left my previous life and got drawn to them again in curious ways. Drank 2-3g dried cubensis in a cup of tea and there we went again.
I got into a warm bed, to my suprise I come into the trip quite subtle and no nasua. I heard myself think "lift off" and as I thought that I was lifting off quite literaly. The colours of television were filling my entire wall now. TV got off and I had this party sensation of buzzes going off inside of me. Feeling quite comfortable all is fine, nothing is going to happen. So I look at my girlfriend telling her the shrooms were doing a great job and I never noticed her so sexy before,.... We had a great night to make a long story short. But there was this guidance, ... opening my eyes and mind. I literaly saw her body as my temple and how a wonderful woman she was. So all this night I had no cigarettes, no nothing, just me and her enjoying this unique moment of pure openess. Nothing but us and that's how the night passed. As she went off to the bathroom to refresh herself I was alone in the room,... Looking up to the sealing trying to figure out what happened and if we shouldn't be embaressed confronting our neighbours next day as we sure woke up the entire block... I heard a laughter in my head and I had this smile as if I was in the caring love of a Superior Intelligence. As she got back in the room I noticed how her hairs were electricly charged Smile
So we were quite happy to welcome this mushroom in our life as a new friend. Though my girlfriend will never use it. But she has never seen me in that way. We had since we met great disturbances in our relationship. I know her for 15 years now but we are dating again for a year now. Time can change a human a lot and situations with great responsibilities can be a great load on another. There were great issues we didn't confront and kept inside.
A lot got sorted out in some way that trip, but our lust got much in the way that night to sort out any more Big Grin
So we went on with our daily lives and weeks later in a perfect moment I made another cup of tea, around 5g dried cubensis. And again perfect lift off. Now I get this insights and I start relating these feelings to my girlfriend and it is as if she's a royal princess. Our bedroom is the land of Narnia (she's sober) and all is in her domain. Now I'm the sort of guy that doesn't buy flowers and isn't into valentines day. But here I am making my girlfriend opening tenthousands of presents just by formulating words on which my intuïtion is responding/receiving to. All this came out and we connected our dots and got a clear visual on how we should share our future. These things that seemed to be in our way, and we didn't confront, didn't seem to be an obstacle that high we couldn't overcome. So the words were out, our skeletons were out of the closet. I don't think I ever felt more releaved in life then when all that got sorted out.

Now I am leaving out this presence and inside jokes with lots of laughter because I have not find a way to describe it. But weeks to a month later I feel like provoking this presence... So here we go, I try to eat some but end up making tea eventually around 5-6g dried cubensis.... (I had this cheering and applauding thoughts as I was trying to eat them, i've had this thought of taking some through salavia in my previous trip but didn't feel like taking more at that specific moment)
Oh well, here we are lifting up and I am asking who this is, but there is nothing and that is exactly what it is, nothing. But there can't be something without nothing can't there? So I'm floating away in thoughts and I keep asking, there must be some way for you to give me clear comfirmation I am dealing with something other then myself... It's great to have these thoughts, but can't I just for once see it.... and here is where any language will fail me ... These coïncedences start piling up and as it starts piling up I'm getting all amazed and stunned, freightened, this winds comes on, the walls are flowing with energy, there's no where I can go, no where I can look to escape this... I'm going very bad now and as I keep focussing on the raging wind and start vomiting my girlfriend starts noticing I'm going real bad now ... I am trying to get away from it, but there's not turning back now... Yet I keep persisting to avoid this now for I am too overwhelmed and I get everyone together as they see me running around naking hearing me messing up the toilet, while vomiting in front of it...
Well that was that, or what I am willing to share Smile
... Great fear and this presence that's practicly everywhere, but I could not recognize before...
I think the safest dose for me is 2g dried, beyond that is just way out of hand now...
The nothing that can shake everything up ... it's nothing, but it's something alright...
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Demahdi a écrit :Yes in degrees. But we should be careful what we wish for. What if nobody needs to work anymore and machines start doing everything. We are with 7 billion people zezt. It got very complicated. You can not expect everyone to be free. "My freedom stops where yours begins".
I feel your point strongly, but please try to look beyond this negative image. The system is fucked up, but we need it to build up to another. That's how everythings work. When you take away everything at once, anarchy will take over.

Nobody does need to work


Citation :Close to Holland, but regular visitor Wink. My country is voting against drugs, zero tolerance. And trust me, we had our issues in the media with our pedofile priests etc. Guessed it yet? Wink Huge talk of separation and society here is in big distress. So no, I'm not judging from an Holland experience, more like a Brussels experience. All religious countries are fucked up, but democratic countries have known peace (among eachother lol) for decades now. And people are free to say and think whatever they want.

Maybe we are never free until tomorrow which we create today.


Regarding first part. We will have to agree to differ on this.


Citation :Of course a black american in the ghetto is going to reply totally different to that question then a black american who finished is P.H.D. There are already products that carry clean karma and already zero waste shops in the west. People just don't choose enough to support the products.


haven't a clue what you mean :?:



Citation :They are forbidding the fruit but nobody is willing to come out of the closet to reclaim the fruit.
They are sucking out the earth to manifacture products we buy.
So you see zezt, it's a two way street. We can see what we are doing, but we keep making the same choices.


Start with yourself


Citation :I see the chains. But we mustn't fight them off and lose all our power with it. Instead we must use what's already in place and give that our full support.


Again I am not understanding what you mean




Citation :But it was ... yes ... univetable. There is no right and there is no wrong when it comes to things like this...
They're just cultural systems building up and I wouldn't wanna live anywhere else then the West. Don't you love Europe?

Agfain you assume that the 'great lifestyle for SOME in Europe comes at no cost. But as I have siad that is a lie. There are people living lives of grinding poverty and slaving away so people here can think 'ahhh what a great life'!


Citation :Yeah I heard of that. You already have a chip. Why would they want to put it in our skin?
They can block all your accounts already, whipe your existence out in a second, and they have face recognization. Smartphones included ... so privacy is gone. Welcome in BB society...


It will be worse chipped!


Citation :It is very personal, ...


I see



Citation :Yeah I heard some of him. But not that much. Let me put it in a nutshell for you.

Well I think there's something trying to communicate with me. My girlfriend doesn't smoke, drink, doesn't do psychedelics, doesn't eat meat. She's my sitter.
It all started after I picked up psycedelics again. I hadn't used them since years. I left my previous life and got drawn to them again in curious ways. Drank 2-3g dried cubensis in a cup of tea and there we went again.
I got into a warm bed, to my suprise I come into the trip quite subtle and no nasua. I heard myself think "lift off" and as I thought that I was lifting off quite literaly. The colours of television were filling my entire wall now. TV got off and I had this party sensation of buzzes going off inside of me. Feeling quite comfortable all is fine, nothing is going to happen. So I look at my girlfriend telling her the shrooms were doing a great job and I never noticed her so sexy before,.... We had a great night to make a long story short. But there was this guidance, ... opening my eyes and mind. I literaly saw her body as my temple and how a wonderful woman she was. So all this night I had no cigarettes, no nothing, just me and her enjoying this unique moment of pure openess. Nothing but us and that's how the night passed. As she went off to the bathroom to refresh herself I was alone in the room,... Looking up to the sealing trying to figure out what happened and if we shouldn't be embaressed confronting our neighbours next day as we sure woke up the entire block... I heard a laughter in my head and I had this smile as if I was in the caring love of a Superior Intelligence. As she got back in the room I noticed how her hairs were electricly charged Smile
So we were quite happy to welcome this mushroom in our life as a new friend. Though my girlfriend will never use it. But she has never seen me in that way. We had since we met great disturbances in our relationship. I know her for 15 years now but we are dating again for a year now. Time can change a human a lot and situations with great responsibilities can be a great load on another. There were great issues we didn't confront and kept inside.
A lot got sorted out in some way that trip, but our lust got much in the way that night to sort out any more Big Grin
So we went on with our daily lives and weeks later in a perfect moment I made another cup of tea, around 5g dried cubensis. And again perfect lift off. Now I get this insights and I start relating these feelings to my girlfriend and it is as if she's a royal princess. Our bedroom is the land of Narnia (she's sober) and all is in her domain. Now I'm the sort of guy that doesn't buy flowers and isn't into valentines day. But here I am making my girlfriend opening tenthousands of presents just by formulating words on which my intuïtion is responding/receiving to. All this came out and we connected our dots and got a clear visual on how we should share our future. These things that seemed to be in our way, and we didn't confront, didn't seem to be an obstacle that high we couldn't overcome. So the words were out, our skeletons were out of the closet. I don't think I ever felt more releaved in life then when all that got sorted out.

Now I am leaving out this presence and inside jokes with lots of laughter because I have not find a way to describe it. But weeks to a month later I feel like provoking this presence... So here we go, I try to eat some but end up making tea eventually around 5-6g dried cubensis.... (I had this cheering and applauding thoughts as I was trying to eat them, i've had this thought of taking some through salavia in my previous trip but didn't feel like taking more at that specific moment)
Oh well, here we are lifting up and I am asking who this is, but there is nothing and that is exactly what it is, nothing. But there can't be something without nothing can't there? So I'm floating away in thoughts and I keep asking, there must be some way for you to give me clear comfirmation I am dealing with something other then myself... It's great to have these thoughts, but can't I just for once see it.... and here is where any language will fail me ... These coïncedences start piling up and as it starts piling up I'm getting all amazed and stunned, freightened, this winds comes on, the walls are flowing with energy, there's no where I can go, no where I can look to escape this... I'm going very bad now and as I keep focussing on the raging wind and start vomiting my girlfriend starts noticing I'm going real bad now ... I am trying to get away from it, but there's not turning back now... Yet I keep persisting to avoid this now for I am too overwhelmed and I get everyone together as they see me running around naking hearing me messing up the toilet, while vomiting in front of it...
Well that was that, or what I am willing to share Smile
... Great fear and this presence that's practicly everywhere, but I could not recognize before...
I think the safest dose for me is 2g dried, beyond that is just way out of hand now...
The nothing that can shake everything up ... it's nothing, but it's something alright...


Very interesting. From what you say I get the feeling you 'othered' this experience, as it were, and then seek to escape 'it' and this where it becomes a bummer and freaks you out. Wheever we try to escape from visions etc is when the feelings of fear come from. I encourage just abandon yourself to the wild wind And speaking of wild wind, I heard this Nina Simone song the other day which I love so much. Have a listen, and maybe save it and next time when tripping listen to it?

Nina Simone - Wild Is The Wind (Original)
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
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Hey Zezt,
Did I dissapoint you in some way or made you mad? Did not mean to. But I get an impression I may have said something wrong.


What other alternatives are there besides working? What I was trying to say is that American black people aren't any less slaves then other American citizens. And how did they got their freedom? A little by force yes lol but most politicly! You say "we have to agree to differ"... But can you please answer my question, do you love Europe? I'm guessing no? It's not perfect yet, but isn't the Western culture the best mankind has ever had since its existence? It's only gotten better because when problems appear we see the chains that binds us and loosen them up. But by fighting them off to roughly, one will only hurt him/herself and lose all his/her powers with it. It is because Western citizens enjoy so much freedom people all over the world come here. But too many have come for the wrong reasons...

We must move on and not back. And after all, choices have been made, we can't just turn back now Zezt, ...
I have started with myself, I consume a lot different then I did years ago. I do other little things but they aren't worth mentioning Smile
Can you believe I have only listened to music once on a trip? I'm just so in my head that I can't focus on television or music. I did at the beginning, but now I just can't concentrate to that anymore Sad
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Demahdi a écrit :Hey Zezt,
Did I dissapoint you in some way or made you mad? Did not mean to. But I get an impression I may have said something wrong.


No. You may have got a vibe that I feel you have not understood some things I have tried to communicate, but I am not mad Smile I can be frank, straight to the point, because I am. I just say what I mean, but this doesn't mean I am mad at you. You will know when I am, because there will be lots of 'fukings' lol


Citation :What other alternatives are there besides working? What I was trying to say is that American black people aren't any less slaves then other American citizens. And how did they got their freedom? A little by force yes lol but most politicly! You say "we have to agree to differ"... But can you please answer my question, do you love Europe? I'm guessing no? It's not perfect yet, but isn't the Western culture the best mankind has ever had since its existence? It's only gotten better because when problems appear we see the chains that binds us and loosen them up. But by fighting them off to roughly, one will only hurt him/herself and lose all his/her powers with it. It is because Western citizens enjoy so much freedom people all over the world come here. But too many have come for the wrong reasons...


Not working. Well put it this way, when we say 'work' this means for a lot of people shit we would sooner not do, and we spend most of our lives doing shit we would otherwise choose not to do just to survive. To KNOW that is wrong is what I mean. Not pretend it is alright.
Black people are MORE slaves than white people. You should search The New Jim Crow at Youtube and you will see.

Citation :We must move on and not back. And after all, choices have been made, we can't just turn back now Zezt, ...
I have started with myself, I consume a lot different then I did years ago. I do other little things but they aren't worth mentioning Smile
Can you believe I have only listened to music once on a trip? I'm just so in my head that I can't focus on television or music. I did at the beginning, but now I just can't concentrate to that anymore Sad


What does 'not turn back' mean. I do not buy all this 'march or progress' stuff. Not when others are being exploited by it.

WOW you have listened to music only once tripping?? How come? I bet your a McKenna freak, yes? LOL HE was always recommending tripping without music. I am not ANTI 'silence' and combine the two, especially in nature. I would never have music earphones in nature, especially tripping. But I have found music can help the low.
What music did you listen to that one time...?
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell
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we talk about Jesus, right?!
I've read "A man called Jesus", Marcello Craveri, that through passages in the Gospels explains that he has brothers (James), didn't disdain the companionship of Mary Magdalene, learned Essenes Mysteries by John the Baptist -and their thaumaturges activities, which included cannabis oils, and he never and never spoke about chastity.
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