Tryin somthing new, need feedback on idea

[alphasnail]

Hey guys, I'm a young inspiring psychonaut. I recently just left a life of drug abuse and have moved into a more spiritual use of psychedelics and drugs alike. I have tried salvia many times before and today i thought i was ready to bump the level to a 20x extract of salvia. So being new to the community i have spent a lot of time reading and doing research. I was looking on the homepage of Alex Grey an artist, and i saw that he had an item called a mind fold. If you don't know what it is, its like a ski-mask that closes all light to your eyes, so you see in total darkness. In essence its meant for you to see what your mind sees, hence the name. I have tryied experimenting with psychedelics in pitch black rooms but find it rather uncomfortable since i have a slight fear of the dark. So i know with salvia it is a good idea to close your eyes to experience visuals, well i have made a mind fold of my own feeling more comfy knowing i'm not really in the dark when using it. So I was wondering what you guys think the out comes will be like, and have you tryied this before and what were the outcomes?

I really appreciate it if you took the time to read this

thanks a lot,
your fellow psychonaut.

 

[Guest]

I think it can be a way for you to not be in the dark and still see those closed eyed visuals, knowing you're not in the dark and still being able to let things go.

Cool thing if it works for you

 

[alphasnail]

OK so today i tried it out and here were the results, but first read this paragraph to better understand what happend in my trip:

I would like share a little bit of my history. My name is joe, i was recently arrested and spent 2weeks in jail and am now rather isolated from my friends that i had before hand, now i'm moving into a more positive environment and i have stopped the use of drugs just for recration and i am now a inspiring psychonaut rather focusing on the spiritual side of drugs then recreational. I have had a long period of isolation since i am now on house arrest, but please dont think of me as a criminal. I have done a lot of reading on this topic of being a psychonaut and also have some experience, but right now i am in a stage of research, as if i were taking classes and lab experiments in order to become a doctor.

So I decided that i was ready to experience my first salvia trip. I have smoked it before in the past but i have not ever done this amount and done it for the experience rather than the fact that others were doing it. So the day before my trip i went to the local head shop and bought salvia 20x and a torch lighter and a small pipe with a short stem.

I have made my own home made version of Alex Grey's mindfold. if you don't know what that is, its basically a blindfold were u can open your eyes in and still see total darkness. I was very exited about trying it out for the first time.

So the day came were i was going to try it. I made the preparations and removed all items that could cause harm and made sure no one was home that would bother me/ walk in on me. I loaded half a bowl of the salvia and placed the mindfold atop my head.

At 10am I took one long deep hit and held it in for about 30sec and then took another just the same. upon taking my second hit i started to feel a sensation through out my body, i started to feel as if i need to hurry up, there was something pushing me to be in a rush. after the second hit I felt energy flowing out of every inch of my skin. Since i was in a hurry i took a final 3rd hit that i held in for 15seconds.

Immediately i put the mindfold over my eyes. The energy i was feeling through out my body had intensified to the point were everything i touched felt sharp but did not hurt.

To my surprise when put on the mindfold and open my eyes i could see my room. I was in the exact same spot as i was, on the top right corner of the bed siting with my legs over the side. every were i turned to look seemed to blur and now that i can think about it, it felt dreamy. Still in the mode of rushing, i was thinking my mindfold was not on, so i kept trying to adjust it but it was on perfectly. i thought "how can i still be in my room? Am i looking trough the goggles that i spent so much time making sure i couldn't?."

I heard a voice it was a girls voice she said to me "Joe, silly you forgot to unplug the phone." the night before i had read on a salvia handbook online that you should unplug to phone so you don't have to worry about answering the phone or not. So when i heard her, i stood up and went to my phone witch was at the other corner of the bed. I rather stumbled over to the phone in a rush and i had not realized i still had the mindfold on.

When i walked over to the phone i looked back to were i was sitting, there was a girl and a boy in there teens sitting were i was. They said to me, "hurry up! someones gunna call!"

At this moment i was completely unaware of the fact that these people in my room were not there, i felt as if they had always been there. I felt i was still living a reality and what was happening to me felt like i was still living everyday life. it felt good knowing that i wasn't alone.

I bent down to were the phone was and i reached to grab it, but i felt nothing. i could see the phone moving with my eyes when i tried to hold it, but i could not grasp anything. thats when i realized that my mindfold was on, and took it off and then i realized that those people that were there weren't really there. So then i had my mindfold off, and unpluged the phone, my conscience began to tell me "joe, its ok those people are there for a reason you are safe. Lay down joe, lay down." I didn't pay any attention to what i saw when i took the mindfold off because i had come to that realization, so i apologize for not being able to share.

So i immediately put my mindfold back on and jumped on my bed and hugged a pillow tightly. again i saw my room and i saw the two people sitting there on the side with their backs to me. i had completely forgotten that i just realized that they were not there. So i said to them "guys i'm so alive so real!" they both said in monotone "We know joe" as if they had done this all before. and all this time i had still felt that feeling of energy pouring out of my body and feeling as if i had to hurry up.

This is were i started coming back to reality, the colors seemed do dim it turned into globs of light as if i just looked at the sun and now i'm looking away and still see it. so i took off my mindfold and began the process of shaking it out and returning to baseline. I looked at he clock and it was 10:16am, i felt like it was only 2min ago when i took those hits.

All in all i was very happy with the outcome when i gave it some thought. i think those people were there to comfort me, since i have had a long period of isolation from friends. i think they new i was feeling lonely and were there to keep me company. yet i do not understand why my trip took place in my room when i was blindfolded, but i hope i will better understand it when i give it further thought.

I really appreciate it if you took the time to read this,thanks a bunch.

 

[Siq]

It sounds strange to me aswell, to percieve or actually stay in your room, by conscience, on Salvia. I think that this first 'chapter' was here (litterally, there in your room) to get you in confort with Salvia.

I cannot think about any actual difference between a blindfold/mindfold and closing the eyes. Me I guess I'd prefer closing my eyes, which I allway do, because then you have cut off visual mentally aswell any physically, like .. since your eyes are closed your mind may turn off processing actual visual input, even if that is just black. Like a dark room is way more dark than closed eyes, because when the eyes are closed, part of the brain that processes actual visual input now can project visual perceptions that don't require outside/actual input, things like memories and dreams.

I am curious about further chapters, as I would call it.

 

[alphasnail]

your explanation is very interesting and i can agree to what you are saying, and thank you for the feed back. The reason i made the mindfold is because i read in Daniel Pinchbeck's breaking open the head, that the ancient Mayans ritual when using salvia was to be in a completely dark hut sealed from all light. in it is a report of one womans experience with the ceremony, and i found it very interesting. As you mentioned about this being the "1st chapter" i hope to do further experiments and report them. I think my next step is to have a sitter present to re-assure me, because this time as you can see i was confused or rather unaware of some things (i.e. thinking the mask was off and forgetting it was still on when i went to unplug the phone.) Also i hope to get ahold of some LSD and am very interested in experimenting with strobe lights, because in Aldous Huxley's book "Heaven and hell" he talks about how a strobe light can greatly affect and increase closed eye visuals.

 

[Kwarkfanaat]

Sounds like a very profound experience. And I'm glad that you're moving on with your life in a good direction. Psycho-active drugs can guide you on your path, as well as us psychonauts hopefully can. Good luck on that!

As for the experience: It seems to me the two persons who were sitting in your room and comforting you, are (like you said?) friends of whom you would like them to be there.

My Salvia journey's have brought me to dreamlike places. Every object and people that I see in the Salviaworld seems very familiar and comforting. And I would almost state that everything in that world has somekind of a relationship to our world. But in what way?! That's what I would like to figure out.

I actually feel a bit like the whole experience is like a dream which tells us what we have done and what we can do in the future.

Hopefully this makes any sence. Much luck with your journey lad.

 

[Guest]

Awesome! Good to hear that the experience was worth while!
Bummer about the bust man, must suck knowing the thing that helps you discover can get you into jail because other people think it's wrong.

But this report made a smile on my face
How the kids reacted.... priceless!

And how do you make a mindfold? :roll:
I'm interested 'cause there's always light comming in my room and it's nice to have total darkness when meditating


PS We would never think of you as a criminal don't worry
Everybody can be busted with something I guess


Thank you for sharing your colors on this forum, good to have you here

 

[alphasnail]

My Salvia journey's have brought me to dreamlike places. Every object and people that I see in the Salviaworld seems very familiar and comforting. And I would almost state that everything in that world has some kind of a relationship to our world. But in what way?! That's what I would like to figure out.

Yes i can relate to that, i found myself very familiarized with what was happening, every now and then i was like wait this isn't familiar but then i quickly lost grip of that thought.

And how do you make a mindfold? :roll:
I'm interested 'cause there's always light coming in my room and it's nice to have total darkness when meditating

Well hat i did to make my mindfold is that i bought some ski goggles and basically spray painted multiple coats on it and took black construction paper and glued cut out slices that would fit over holes that were letting light in and i glued them over it. myne was actually a paint ball mask so it took a little more work lol but i think a ski mask would do good.