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Plan to monitor all internet use

Malaeus

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Communications firms are being asked to record all internet contacts between people as part of a modernisation in UK police surveillance tactics.

The home secretary scrapped plans for a database but wants details to be held and organised for security services.

The new system would track all e-mails, phone calls and internet use, including visits to social network sites.

The Tories said the Home Office had "buckled under Conservative pressure" in deciding against a giant database.

Announcing a consultation on a new strategy for communications data and its use in law enforcement, Jacqui Smith said there would be no single government-run database.


Communications data is an essential tool for law enforcement agencies to track murderers and paedophiles, save lives and tackle crime
Jacqui Smith
Home Secretary

But she also said that "doing nothing" in the face of a communications revolution was not an option.

The Home Office will instead ask communications companies - from internet service providers to mobile phone networks - to extend the range of information they currently hold on their subscribers and organise it so that it can be better used by the police, MI5 and other public bodies investigating crime and terrorism.

Ministers say they estimate the project will cost £2bn to set up, which includes some compensation to the communications industry for the work it may be asked to do.

"Communications data is an essential tool for law enforcement agencies to track murderers, paedophiles, save lives and tackle crime," Ms Smith said.

"Advances in communications mean that there are ever more sophisticated ways to communicate and we need to ensure that we keep up with the technology being used by those who seek to do us harm.

"It is essential that the police and other crime fighting agencies have the tools they need to do their job, However to be clear, there are absolutely no plans for a single central store."

'Contact not content'

Communication service providers (CSPs) will be asked to record internet contacts between people, but not the content, similar to the existing arrangements to log telephone contacts.


REASONS TO CHANGE WHAT CAN BE KEPT
More communication via computers rather than phones
Companies won't always keep all data all the time
Anonymity online masks criminal identities
More online services provided from abroad
Data held in many locations and difficult to find
Source: Home Office consultation

But, recognising that the internet has changed the way people talk, the CSPs will also be asked to record some third party data or information partly based overseas, such as visits to an online chatroom and social network sites like Facebook or Twitter.

Security services could then seek to examine this data along with information which links it to specific devices, such as a mobile phone, home computer or other device, as part of investigations into criminal suspects.

The plan expands a voluntary arrangement under which CSPs allow security services to access some data which they already hold.

The security services already deploy advanced techniques to monitor telephone conversations or intercept other communications, but this is not used in criminal trials.

Ms Smith said that while the new system could record a visit to a social network, it would not record personal and private information such as photos or messages posted to a page.

"What we are talking about is who is at one end [of a communication] and who is at the other - and how they are communicating," she said.

Existing legal safeguards under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act would continue to apply. Requests to see the data would require top level authorisation within a public body such as a police force. The Home Office is running a separate consultation on limiting the number of public authorities that can access sensitive information or carry out covert surveillance.

'Orwellian'

Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne said: "I am pleased that the Government has climbed down from the Big Brother plan for a centralised database of all our emails and phone calls.

"However, any legislation that requires individual communications providers to keep data on who called whom and when will need strong safeguards on access.

"It is simply not that easy to separate the bare details of a call from its content. What if a leading business person is ringing Alcoholics Anonymous, or a politician's partner is arranging to hire a porn video?

"There has to be a careful balance between investigative powers and the right to privacy."


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Shadow home secretary Chris Grayling said: "The big problem is that the government has built a culture of surveillance which goes far beyond counter terrorism and serious crime. Too many parts of Government have too many powers to snoop on innocent people and that's really got to change.

"It is good that the home secretary appears to have listened to Conservative warnings about big brother databases. Now that she has finally admitted that the public don't want their details held by the State in one place, perhaps she will look at other areas in which the Government is trying to do precisely that."

Guy Herbert of campaign group NO2ID said: "Just a week after the home secretary announced a public consultation on some trivial trimming of local authority surveillance, we have this: a proposal for powers more intrusive than any police state in history.

"Ministers are making a distinction between content and communications data into sound-bite of the year. But it is spurious.

"Officials from dozens of departments and quangos could know what you read online, and who all your friends are, who you emailed, when, and where you were when you did so - all without a warrant."

The consultation runs until 20 July 2009.
 

Sticki

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Right Infringing Bastards!

I wonder when we will be issued with bags to put our feces in for examination... :roll:
 

adoma

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ah! and slowly the facade of freedom falls...
Somehow this doesn't suprise me at all, i mean...
We live in a political system, you know, political like commmunism or fascism and system like your friggin computer.
We're nothing but numbers to the government or the elite.
I mean look in your passport, it says what number you really are...

"Well if you haven't done anything wrong, you don't have be scared, right ?"

i hope the situation on this earth with the swine flu, the economic crisis and stuff goes out of control, then we'll have a revolution.
but then again...

Fuck the revolution, bring on the apocalypse 8)
 

TheSearchForSoma

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I think there are many people not liking this, isn't there a possibillity that with massive protest,this plan can be stopped or reduced. It's just another step towards a total 1984. They don't dare to take huge steps, with acouple of little ones people don't get too angry. Don't take this!
 

Razor29

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its pretty huge this step

this plus the amount of cameras and security in England

i mean big brother is now watching
 

GOD

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I`m realy surprised to read that , it already happens here and i`m sure its european law .
 

Mara

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TheSearchForSoma a dit:
I think there are many people not liking this, isn't there a possibillity that with massive protest,this plan can be stopped or reduced. It's just another step towards a total 1984. They don't dare to take huge steps, with acouple of little ones people don't get too angry. Don't take this!

I agree with you, it's a big step. But there are big things happening and I think they can do a lot under the name of "safety".
 

TheSearchForSoma

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I understand, what i meant was the're now selling it as a light version of their previous plan -which included a "central informationcenter"(i don't know the right word)- so they can sell it easier to the public. And previously they have taken a lot of steps ,like said :all of the camera's hanging in the streets like razor29 mentioned.[on the camera's:watch the movie "red road" to fuel your paranoia!!]
So they are marching towards a total 1984 with "small steps" (they're huuuge in our eyes,but maybe we're more critical than the masses) otherwise they would get the masses(or at least a bigger part of it)against them.

@ Mara : Indeed, feelings of unsafety make people believe eveything..

that's why i often hate the way our world is shown in the media today,too often nothing more than scaring the shit out of people just because it sells. but you don't hear them a lot when another law is passed to steal another piece of our individual freedom.

@ GOD: wow is this true? I know nothing about this situation,actually.. :oops:
When i find the time,i will look it up, i'm sure there's an organisation somewhere (or a couple of them) who fights for our privacy.

Bah, i'm sick of this system, i hope there are still enough people out there who carry lot's of love and high libido's because once we will need to fuck it all together!
Come on friends, let's join the great revolutionary orgy!! :lol: (reminds me of a southpark episode:') )
 

Space-is-the-Place

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adoma a dit:
I mean look in your passport, it says what number you really are...

"We must blend into the choir, sing as static with the whole,
We must memorize nine numbers and deny we have a soul,
And to this endless race for property and privilege to be won
We must run, we must run, we must run."


TheSearchForSoma a dit:
I understand, what i meant was the're now selling it as a light version of their previous plan -which included a "central informationcenter"(i don't know the right word)- so they can sell it easier to the public.
A nazi library
 

Forkbender

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Booted to Politics/Legal Issues/Media.

This is f'd up. Time for some hacking.
 

Malaeus

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thanks for moving the thread, i just wanted to make sure it reached everyone's attention. also, thanks for posting that link, i must have forgotten to properly add that.
 

Forkbender

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I guess this information would somehow fit into the freedom of information act (or equivalent in other countries), so you would be able to request all the data they have about you or anyone else (mr. President for example) unless it is in direct violation of a rule (such as homeland security).

When are they going to see that malicious intent is the result of this infringement of basic human rights and that matters will only get worse?
 

tryptonaut

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Well, the internet just opens up the possibility to follow every one of our steps. It was just a matter of time when they were going to take it.
All we need to do is find a way to hide our internet-steps effectively - and not allow them to make these techniques illegal.
It's like with fingerprints - they can be used to trace you, so they are used to trace you in case of a criminal investigation - the point is nobody wants to ban gloves because of that!
With the gloves example it sounds ridiculous, but in case of the internet they might just ban new masking technologies as they wish without anyone going on the barricades.
 

Mr.Smith

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hey, ellisd are you the guy who wrote:

"Please don't take this wrong (you will), but one volcano going off will undo all the 'greening', 'cuttingback', etc. that you will ever do. I'm building a blown big-block Chrysler to go drag racing with. I eat meat, and live in a 3600 sq. ft. home. I own 4 cars and use a lot of electricity. I hate Al Gore, am totally against G8 and Kyoto. If you care about the environment, help speed up the process and maybe humans will do something. I also exhale Co2., which makes man a polluter. Hogwash. Now they'll figure out a way to tax it.
Years ago I started saving water because there was a drought. For two years I put myself out a bit. Then the next year, they introduced mandatory water cutbacks. If you couldn't cut back by 20% from the year before, you got fined. I got fined. For saving water for three years. Fuck that shit. If there's not enough food, water, or whatnot, quit having kids. Good luck with that one.
Notice gas station restrooms are always dirty? Because no-one gives a shit unless it's thier own. Your bathroom doesn't look that way. We're supposed to cut back and whatnot while China and India go balls out and prosper, then dictate over us. I don't waste, and I don't trash the environment, but I'm going to live my life during my lifetime. Thanks for guys like you that save a bit. As you get older and get fucked more, you get wiser. Weird how that works."

and "You know, the USA isn't all bad. ... fuck it, lets just nuke the whole planet 10 times over. ..."

what do your bosses at http://www.mitosystems.com/ think about you taking LSD?
 

EllisD

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I hope this helps.
www.mayanmajix.com/art1699.html :wink:

We regularly circumvent and infiltrate small websites like this one to train new employees. I've already said this. Don't worry. Your secret is safe with us. You should see the fun we have on gun forums. Check out our website. You'll get a real education on what's to come. It's already happening...........be aware and have fun. E.D.
 
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