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Best DMT natural source

#1
Hi,

I ve been smoking an extract from Desmanthus illinoensis , it s an amazing plant with an average 3,4‰ DMT in rootbark or 0,340 in dry material ( 2‰ in roots ) from Jonathan Ott´s Ayahuasca analogues,average 34 mg per gram ,almost the double of anadenathera in concentration triptamines but in Desmanthus illinoensis there are only DMT and no other triptamines in the rootbark , and it s easy and not very hard to smoke if you can smoke 1gram in less then 60 seconds , you can make easly an extract , boiling the rootbark in water with vinegar , and then less the water evaporate, you will have an brown powder , but is hard to know the DMT concentration in yours extract but if you start slow i think is safe .
I ve been smoking the rootbark and extract that i made myself , and it s work perfect , i have real dmt trips with this , and is a very cheap and efficient way to smoke dmt.of course this isn t pure dmt but it works. Try it
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#2
That sounds interesting.

I'm curious if Marsofolds tek would work with this plantsource.
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#3
Hi,

I think this information a give is wrong , i´ve been thinking and , I use 80 grams to make 2 grams extract , and i need to smoke 0.5 to have a full trip , so , i thinks is impossible to have 34 mg DMT by gram but maybe 3.4 mg , if not i ve been smoking something like 600 mg DMT , i think i ve maybe already dead this night so it s make more sense 3.4 mg per gram , like that i ve been smoking something like 60 mg dmt , or maybe it s me that i lost when i make my extract ?????

Somebogy knows about that ? Somebody understands about chemistrie ? Can i ve lost somethink like 2000 mg making a extract ??

my extrac is made by simple boiling the material and make a concentrate a dont extract pure dmt , maybe next time
when following its first experiment the young anthropologist asks Don
Juan if it really saw Mescalito- the spirit of the cactus, the shaman
will answer him with its usual and instructive irony: "You believe that's your mother?"
#4
I've been interested in this subject for a bit. Is this something you find in your locale?
#5
i'm very interested in this aswell, for making smoke-able extractions. but your last post confuses me, is t a waste to make an extraction the way you said because you might lose a part of the dmt or not?
and how much vinegar in comparison to water?
appelvinegar or householdvinegar?
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#6
hi,

Citation :I've been interested in this subject for a bit. Is this something you find in your locale?

yes , you can find it in a lot online herbal shops , and in U.S i think is more easy because is native to north america and i think there are a lot american shops with Desmanthus


[quote:1ixix3ms]you might lose a part of the dmt or not?
and how much vinegar in comparison to water?
appelvinegar or householdvinegar?

about losing DMT i think i not lose so much probably i can lose a little , but I think the concentration is 3,4 mg per gram make more sense , so maybe the other information is wrong , but i don t know

i made with 80 grams powder Desmanthus , 2 litres water and half cup (10dl) of normal vinegar( wine or white vinegar) but you can put lemon juice but some sources say is more efficient with vinegar.( is better a digital PH meter , but i have donne without, Ph should go down as about 3 to better results) then you put the powder rootbark and boiling 3 hours , filter with a cofee filter(is important to filter several times) and then boiling until the all water evaporate . then scrape the powder(is hard) . something like 2 , 3 grams brown and very shiny powder when put direct to light.

this is easy and works perfect , so make attention ,this night i smoke 1 gram , and it s was very very hard trip , the first 2 minutes is totaly destruction for your body and mind ,with extreme open-eye visuals , but without the normal nauseas of yopo caused me 5-meo-dmt and bufotenine , i think is very more efficient and more confortable to yours body then yopo .
[/quote:1ixix3ms]
when following its first experiment the young anthropologist asks Don
Juan if it really saw Mescalito- the spirit of the cactus, the shaman
will answer him with its usual and instructive irony: "You believe that's your mother?"
#7
sounds very good.. this is defenitaly worth an experiment for myself, thanks for the info Smile
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#8
Man this is a very easy to do extraction.
If you don't want to go through the whole process of making a pure dmt powder extraction (where a lot more things can go wrong).

I think I'll definately try this...
Thanks for the tip...
Hope I can get 2 trips out of 50 grams...
#9
i'm kinda low on money right now, so space, if you'd be so kind to try, I will when my paycheck gets here Happywide let us know how it wentSmile
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#10
i'm gonna order the plant next week, but has anyone else tryd the extraction and smoking allready?
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#11
amoak a écrit :
Hi,

I think this information a give is wrong , i´ve been thinking and , I use 80 grams to make 2 grams extract , and i need to smoke 0.5 to have a full trip , so , i thinks is impossible to have 34 mg DMT by gram but maybe 3.4 mg , if not i ve been smoking something like 600 mg DMT , i think i ve maybe already dead this night so it s make more sense 3.4 mg per gram , like that i ve been smoking something like 60 mg dmt , or maybe it s me that i lost when i make my extract ?????

Somebogy knows about that ? Somebody understands about chemistrie ? Can i ve lost somethink like 2000 mg making a extract ??

my extrac is made by simple boiling the material and make a concentrate a dont extract pure dmt , maybe next time


You can loose all theoretically. My first extract, I had about 40mg of DMT out of 250 grams of rootbark. When I really understood the tek and improved it, I got 2.2 grams out of 250 grams of rootbark. If done right, you should have very little loss.

Which tek did you use? Care to share the steps here?

HC
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#12
he typed it a bit above;

i made with 80 grams powder Desmanthus , 2 litres water and half cup (10dl) of normal vinegar( wine vinegar) but you can put lemon juice but some sources say is more efficient with vinegar.( is better a digital PH meter , but i have donne without, Ph should go down as about 3 to better results) then you put the powder rootbark and boiling 3 hours , filter with a cofee filter(is important to filter several times) and then boiling until the all water evaporate . then scrape the powder(is hard) . something like 2 , 3 grams brown and very shiny powder when put direct to light.

it's a bit like making opium at the end
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#13
My bad for not reading....

It basically looks like a shortcut tek for extracting mimosa. Instead of basifying though, you evaporate the water/vinegar.

I wonder what would happen if a complete extraction would be carried out like with mimosa. Maybe an extra defat step is needed but theoretically, you should be able to get the same clean endproduct right?
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#14
I just read on Azarius that they have a "new" ingredient for ayahuasca: Chaliponga. It is said to be stronger than Psychotria Viridis. Anyone of you know the details about this? Can it be used for extraction?

Link: http://www.azarius.net/news.php?newsindex=138
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#15
Chaliponga ( Diplopterys Cabrerana ) is hardly new. Well maybe new to Azarius. It's been used in Brazil, Peru and the Amazon by indigenous people for thousands of years. The main difference between chaliponga and chacruna ( the more common psychotria viridis ) is that cabrerana contains DMT and N-DMT. The prices are comparable, however, I've only used chaliponga once. It was the last time I held an ayahuasca ceremony and the effects were less than desirable. Everyone involved experienced a strong purge but only 3 out of 7 people had a very deep trip. I could barely feel it myself and I used one ounce of leaf for every one person. I've always had a good experience with a similar amount of p. viridis but maybe it was just weak.
I'll still stick to what I know works.
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#16
As for extraction, I believe mimosa hostilis works best.
My tingers are fingling.
#17
Hi people,
a friend gave me this spring some Desmanthus Ilinoisis seads and now there are about 20 plants in the back yard, between 50 sm and 1 m tall(the bigest even flowered Smile)
As far as I know, this plant can survive winter temperatures (-15 and more)
so I wonder how many years of waiting and watching them grow lies ahead..
Its very beautifull plant b.t.w.
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sansare svapanam tyaya moha nidram
nigan-ma mrityor twai-sat svaroope
#18
I'm still looking for them seeds...
Seems like an easy thing to grow.
#19
Space-is-the-Place a écrit :
I'm still looking for them seeds...
Seems like an easy thing to grow.


Looking for seeds to...lets inform eachother once we find them Wink
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#20
HeartCore a écrit :
Space-is-the-Place a écrit :
I'm still looking for them seeds...
Seems like an easy thing to grow.


Looking for seeds to...lets inform eachother once we find them Wink



Deal Happywide
#21
I feel like a walking advertizement for ebay.

If you spell it right you'll probably have better luck in online searches. But if you go to ebay and type in Desmanthus illinoensis you will find that Celestial Source has a 2 gram pack or 300 seeds for a dollar. They also have an ounce or 4800 seeds for$7.50. They're good people, I bought my datura seeds and belladonna plant from them. you're welcome :lol:
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#22
Brewmaster a écrit :
I feel like a walking advertizement for ebay.

If you spell it right you'll probably have better luck in online searches. But if you go to ebay and type in Desmanthus illinoensis you will find that Celestial Source has a 2 gram pack or 300 seeds for a dollar. They also have an ounce or 4800 seeds for$7.50. They're good people, I bought my datura seeds and belladonna plant from them. you're welcome :lol:


Very nice!
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#23
[quote]I just read on Azarius that they have a "new" ingredient for ayahuasca: Chaliponga. It is said to be stronger than Psychotria Viridis. Anyone of you know the details about this? Can it be used for extraction?


I don t know if you can use Chapilonga to extract DMT because Chapilonga (or Ojo -Yage in Peru) have DMT and 5-MEO-DMT ( Plants of the Gods) .
I had buy 50 grams of chapilonga , not from azarius , and i can tell you that is very more stonger then Vidris or mimosa root bark , my last to trips with ayahuasca i made a Ojo-Yage with 10 grams chapilonga and 30 grams powder caapi and it was the most powerful trips ever with ayahuasca , VERY more physical then vidris and some moments it acting like dissosiative and very visual i had only trips like this with ibogaine , very diffrent from a normal ayahuasca brew , and think is because the stranges efects that 5-MEO-DMT have when consumed orally with MAOis , but it s amazing , i love it , and if you want a trip harder then a ayahuasca brew I think a OJo-Yage is a good choice.
when following its first experiment the young anthropologist asks Don
Juan if it really saw Mescalito- the spirit of the cactus, the shaman
will answer him with its usual and instructive irony: "You believe that's your mother?"
#24
Do you keep th original powder of the Desmanthus everytime you filter, or do you keep the filtered liquid?
amoak a écrit :
hi,

Citation :I've been interested in this subject for a bit. Is this something you find in your locale?

yes , you can find it in a lot online herbal shops , and in U.S i think is more easy because is native to north america and i think there are a lot american shops with Desmanthus


[quote:1djrq5uq]you might lose a part of the dmt or not?
and how much vinegar in comparison to water?
appelvinegar or householdvinegar?

about losing DMT i think i not lose so much probably i can lose a little , but I think the concentration is 3,4 mg per gram make more sense , so maybe the other information is wrong , but i don t know

i made with 80 grams powder Desmanthus , 2 litres water and half cup (10dl) of normal vinegar( wine vinegar) but you can put lemon juice but some sources say is more efficient with vinegar.( is better a digital PH meter , but i have donne without, Ph should go down as about 3 to better results) then you put the powder rootbark and boiling 3 hours , filter with a cofee filter(is important to filter several times) and then boiling until the all water evaporate . then scrape the powder(is hard) . something like 2 , 3 grams brown and very shiny powder when put direct to light.

this is easy and works perfect , so make attention ,this night i smoke 1 gram , and it s was very very hard trip , the first 2 minutes is totaly destruction for your body and mind ,with extreme open-eye visuals , but without the normal nauseas of yopo caused me 5-meo-dmt and bufotenine , i think is very more efficient and more confortable to yours body then yopo .

[/quote:1djrq5uq]
#25
Brewmaster a écrit :
I feel like a walking advertizement for ebay.

If you spell it right you'll probably have better luck in online searches. But if you go to ebay and type in Desmanthus illinoensis you will find that Celestial Source has a 2 gram pack or 300 seeds for a dollar. They also have an ounce or 4800 seeds for$7.50. They're good people, I bought my datura seeds and belladonna plant from them. you're welcome :lol:


Wow, looks like a nice deal! Hope there'll be some more on e-bay soon!

Thx for looking hehehe
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#26
Mexican mimosa bark has a confirmed potency of 1.8%, making it an even more valid candiate for extracting. This variety could use a defat step but if you recrystallize there is no prob.
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#27
merretstone a écrit :
Do you keep th original powder of the Desmanthus everytime you filter, or do you keep the filtered liquid?


I think you keep the filtered liquid, and let it evaporate.

Not 100% sure though, anyone?

And as for smoking; if I would put the right dosage in a pipe, I would also need a MAOI-remmer right? Oops
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#28
I bet the best Natural DMT source is your own Pineal gland Wink mrgreen


Kwarkfanaat a écrit :
And as for smoking; if I would put the right dosage in a pipe, I would also need a MAOI right? Oops


Nope, only for oral ingestion you need a MAO-Inhibitor....
#29
Space-is-the-Place a écrit :
I bet the best Natural DMT source is your own Pineal gland Wink mrgreen


LoL

Can I have yours? :roll:

Space-is-the-Place a écrit :
Nope, only for oral ingestion you need a MAO-Inhibitor....


Lovely! Can't wait to try it out soon Smile
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#30
Do you think animal's (like a cat, or a dog) pineal gland could be used ?


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