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Creating a sanctuary in Holland
#1
Sanctuary

Hey all.

I've been talking and talking and talking for over 15 years about these plant hallucinogens. My main concern has been more or less to plant these ideas (no pun intended) more in the surface of our collective, western concsiousness. If that makes any sense at all.

So after a lot of thinking and talking, my girlfriend and I decided to create a place in Holland for psychonauts.

The idea is to have a sanctuary, a controlled space where people can have experiences with plant hallucinogens, mainly psilocybin and ayahuasca but there are more plans, in a safe environment.

Details of how this will work have yet to be cooked up b
ut here's some guidelines as of what to expect:

- no affinity with any religious movement
- Different days/evenings, music enhanced, silent darkness etc..
- Inviting experienced people to guide experiences (think of shamen, ayahuasqueros etc..)
- Psychedelic information point

Wishlist:

- VR environment
- Smartcafé/shop
- Informational nights (invite speakers etc, discussion groups etc)

Its all very preliminary at the moment but we will do our best to make this happen.

The way we are going to set it up is either register as an associoation (stichting) or a church (if thats possible), its dependant on the outcome of our talks with lawywers. In any case, this is not meant to turn into an easy money train for me and my gf, thats not our goal although it would be nice at some point to be able to quit my job and work fulltime on this.

So if anyone feels tempted to help out in whatever way, feel free to contact me. There are two things that are important to realize beforehand:

There wont be money involved so its volunteer work and secondly, we ask a minimum age of 21. Reason for that being that we are consciously going to break the law when we start the sessions and if we have minorities in the group, that can easily frustrate the process.

Let me know what you all think please Smile

I've posted an idea like this about a year ago, for me the time was not right but at this time, I feel with all my heart that it is Wink

Edit: Base will be, and this is non negotiable, in Veenendaal Wink
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#2
How wonderful bro.
Great plan.
Having been part of a few brainstorms with you along these lines i am over-joyed to see you taking a stand for taking the next step(s)!

I have a bunch of skills and experience that could potentially contribute value to such a project and share, as you, its mission very personally. So just let me know how i might be of service and count on volunteer support from my side in any way that serves the success of such a (much needed) entheogenic center.


WOW!
YEAH!!!
Smile))))))

-me
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#3
This is great man you've got my support and help on this.
Big Grin

peace..
UrBaN sHaMaNiSm
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#4
Wow, this would motivate me even more to do a little 'trip' in holland Wink
We are not our pain, nor our pleasure, nor our thoughts, nor...
We are.
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#5
...and so it goes Heartcore:

- you dare to know/be your deep heart and brilliant mind
- you dare to listen
- you dare to take a stand to bring forth your bright contribution

....and life rewards the courage.
....and your true-friends, allies, partners, start showing-up and pouring in.
...sure sure, the challenges too but that's the adventure, the "theater" of each of our personal and collective evolution.

Awesome bro!
...and thanks to our friends chiming in here so perfectly.
Smile))))))
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#6
All I can say is that I TRULY hope this will work...

Kind of "dream come true"...

I waited for so long for such a topic to appear...
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#7
I have already mine ,

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when following its first experiment the young anthropologist asks Don
Juan if it really saw Mescalito- the spirit of the cactus, the shaman
will answer him with its usual and instructive irony: "You believe that's your mother?"
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#8
Good idea!!

Some inspiration:
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http://www.auroville.org/thecity/matrim ... m_main.htm[/url]

http://www.auroville.org/thecity/matrima...cearea.htm

Big Grin
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#9
...as if partying (a great human pastime nonetheless) is the same thing (at ALL) as "5 dried grams in silent darkness".

Love the pic's but fully challenge/disagree with the headline and point.

Those who know KNOW what i mean and what HeartCore is onto and in it for.



Wink)
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#10
EntheoBhakta a écrit :...as if partying (a great human pastime nonetheless) is the same thing (at ALL) as "5 dried grams in silent darkness".

Love the pic's but fully challenge/disagree with the headline and point.

Those who know KNOW what i mean and what HeartCore is onto and in it for.



Wink)


I do it already every week at my home , for me this is a sanctuary and you can't say nothing against it
when following its first experiment the young anthropologist asks Don
Juan if it really saw Mescalito- the spirit of the cactus, the shaman
will answer him with its usual and instructive irony: "You believe that's your mother?"
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#11
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A lovely intentional community but much more vedic in its spiritual focus and way into following Indian law to the "t".

Feel what HeartCore (and i hope many of us in support of this plan) are intending would be a great new addition to the overall world wide inter-connected network of conscious, peace loving, forward thinking communities, of which (i sure agree) Auroville is a long-time shining example.


Wink)
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#12
Citation :
EntheoBhakta a écrit :[quote=auroville.org/thecity/

A lovely intentional community but much more vedic in its spiritual focus and way into following Indian law to the "t".

Feel what HeartCore (and i hope many of us in support of this plan) are intending would be a great new addition to the overall world wide inter-connected network of conscious, peace loving, forward thinking communities, of which (i sure agree) Auroville is a long-time shining example.


Wink)

Yeah, its just about the looks of this place (unfortunately there are no pics of the inside - which is really beautiful).
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#13
Dear Mr. Oak,
You said: "I do it already every week at my home , for me this is a sanctuary and you can't say nothing against it."

Check it out: I didn't.

Wink)

What you did seem to say in the post i was responding to, by words and pictures, gave me the impression of a bit like countering HeartCore's great idea with something like 'no need for what you're doing, there's plenty of psychedelic party/scenes already'.

Anyway, glad you know the value of personal/home-time journeying.
All the best to you in however it works for you.

Note: this is a thread about how incredibly valuable it will be to have places where people (who don't find crowd/rave scenes optimal for exploring the reaches of the entheogenic tremendum) to find safe, conscious, and peaceful spaces facilitated by well informed, experienced and compassionate hosts/sitters/guides/shamans.

Cool by you?


Wink)
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#14
EntheoBhakta a écrit :What you did seem to say in the post i was responding to, by words and pictures, gave me the impression of a bit like countering HeartCore's great idea with something like 'no need for what you're doing, there's plenty of psychedelic party/scenes already'.


Wink)

Nop , I wasn't countering the HeartCore idea , i think is a great idea too , i just show another way , and in my country is easier because all kind of psychedelics are illegal so is dangereus for us open comunitys , and i don't go to party's to take drugs , only to have fun and share love .
when following its first experiment the young anthropologist asks Don
Juan if it really saw Mescalito- the spirit of the cactus, the shaman
will answer him with its usual and instructive irony: "You believe that's your mother?"
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#15
amoak a écrit :Nop , I wasn't countering the HeartCore idea , i think is a great idea too , i just show another way , and in my country is easier because all kind of psychedelics are illegal so is dangereus for us open comunitys , and i don't go to party's to take drugs , only to have fun and share love .


Which is why, nice to know you and i DO agree, that its so damn great to have members of our community living in more "progressively legislated" earth regions build centers where all others (like people from your an my country of origin where such sacred rights/rites are currently violated by evil "law") can come and be introduced to the wonders of this earth-human sacrament.

Sorry for orig. misunderstanding. If that first post had had a photo of you IN that bedroom of yours rather than 10,000 sweating, pounding, freeking brothers and sis's, i'd sure have better understood the fullness of your approach.

peace!

Wink)
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#16
EntheoBhakta a écrit :Sorry for orig. misunderstanding. If that first post had had a photo of you IN that bedroom of yours rather than 10,000 sweating, pounding, freeking brothers and sis's, i'd sure have better understood the fullness of your approach.

peace!

Wink)


Of course i prefer to be more discret . I don't show you my room but i can show you the chill-out , very nice place to trip
Sorry for the confusion , but i really like HeartCore's idea , but unfortunately is impossible in my country and in many many others , this is a good option for us.

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when following its first experiment the young anthropologist asks Don
Juan if it really saw Mescalito- the spirit of the cactus, the shaman
will answer him with its usual and instructive irony: "You believe that's your mother?"
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#17
... where is that lovely gathering space?
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#18
Of all places Veenendaal Smile Anyway I'd say I'd love to help but you'll have to wait a good year and a half since I'm still 19 (turning 20 this sept) and you said you only want people 21 y/o or older. If it starts going I'll at least drop by and visit a couple of times when I'm @ my parents place :wink:
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#19
EntheoBhakta a écrit :... where is that lovely gathering space?


Is Boom Fetival , in Portugal , but there many other festivals and parties during all year , always very nice and smiling people
even Albert Hofmann came share with us

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when following its first experiment the young anthropologist asks Don
Juan if it really saw Mescalito- the spirit of the cactus, the shaman
will answer him with its usual and instructive irony: "You believe that's your mother?"
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#20
Hehe, Creating a place like the old good Goa in India like the 70's. Wonderful idea this! (Y)
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#21
what a kick ass idea.


One day I may escape America, and even get to see such a thing....hmmm..
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#22
I hope you'll be able to get this started in Veenendaal. 'Cause I heard my GF saying there's only one smart/coffee shop in Veenendaal now, who already (too) many people are against.

Keep us posted mate, GREAT initiative!
We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains.
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#23
this is a nice initiative, but there is allready the santo daime for ayahuasca? ok you say not related to religion....

I hope you can work it out. But it seems like a very complex thing to start.

How to make it a real "cure" center and not only a place where people come to have a blast? Because that will be the problem once it is going to get known. Having shamans could partly solve this problem.

Let's cross fingers that you're able to make something good! Though If it is only a tripping place there is much chance I'd never go there, as I'm better at home :)
Never say Never
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#24
Thanks for all the replies and the nice pictures Smile

Citation :How to make it a real "cure" center and not only a place where people come to have a blast?

My opinion is that having a blast can be really curing Smile I was never really drawn to Santo Daime personally because of speicific nature of the rituals there (as I understand). But I do fully support people's need for those kind of experiences together in various settings. Therefor, the idea really is to have different sessions if you want to call it that, where different needs are covered. Like silent darkness nights, shamanic nights but I also see inviting someone over to be ambient dj.

I'm not sure really of all those details, we are brainstorming a lot at the moment.

Another option that I want to work out is psychedelic workshops. For example, Entheobaktha encountered a group on his travels in Eastern Europe where workshops where offered about Salvia. Maybe he wants to elaborate some more on this but the general idea was, if I remember correctly, to slowly work to a full experience over the coarse of a day. I think this would be nice to offer since in my experience, general guidelines seem to be lacking a lot. Smartshops could even help advertise this this way helping in a safer way these plants are being used so they can insure continuity in their business (responsible use=less accidents so less concern for the law to look close at smartshops).

Suggestions of what else we could do are welcome Smile
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#25
Hi there!

First of all, I wish you both all the luck with getting this thing off the ground! I feel it will be quite a major breakthrough for the psychonaut community. I hope I can be of some kind of help to you.

Today I’m free from work so I did some brainstorming myself. I just to tried to think of some things that might come in handy. I made up this short list of things that popped into my head:

Some random questions and idea’s
- What will be a good location for the sanctuary in Veenendaal?
- Try and get to know what kind of customers come to the other smart/coffee shops in Veenendaal and where they come from? Maybe even pay a visit yourself so you can get some ideas what (not) to do.
- Will the sanctuary contain completely separated rooms? Or will it be one big space with separations only by simple interior?
- How to set restrictions? Think about the number of people allowed during sessions, discussion groups etc? Maybe you could set up some rules, hang them on the wall and point to them.
- Make people sign-up for discussion groups and informational speaker nights? Just so you can control the number of people that are joining.
- Create a chill-out lounge with sofa’s etc?
- Set up A wall where trip-reports have been printed / written or anything else on? Just to show to the people visiting. Prikbord?
- Giving (through night speakers) information about the latest smartshop materials?
- Suppliing information about product extractions through sessions or by leaflet's given with products perhaps?
- Small advertisements through the music playing? Might save some money.


How to get the people of Veenendaal behind your ideas?
- Get connected with some important people (what you’ve already done I heard).
- Organize an informational meeting amongst ‘youngsters’ to spread the idea? Not too young. Wink
- Make sure you know the legal stuff.
- Try advertising in a (not even local) paper. But it’s essential then to get things out in the public, the –right- way.


Visuals and sound
- Trip video’s edited to look like being on shrooms for example?
- Visualisations through a beamer or dia projector?
- Simple computer for music?
- Artwork? Lot’s of artists here I recon who might be able to contribute? Wink


Informational night speakers
- Azarius representatives?
- Think about government people giving their opinion about psychedelic drugs and society, or churchly men and their ideas about belief and mind altering substances. This might be a tough one, but it’s just an idea.
- Experienced, well-known psychonauts?


Discussion groups
- Themes like: Experiences, legal issues, drug abuse, etc?


Different days/evenings, music enhanced, silent darkness etc
- Different themes like: Art, Music, Games, Sports: all visualized and musicalized in their own way?
- Occasional DJ playing?
- Acoustic (guitar?) sessions?


Some of the things mentioned above you might have mentioned yourself already. Wink
By the way, I can help you out with some things if this thing is getting off the ground. Think about a projection screen, a simple pc for music / visuals, a nice website and video-editing. Free of charge ofcourse Wink. I just love your idea.

Hopefully this information can be of any use. Good luck!
We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains.
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#26
I`m glad yo hear and read that u are back on track HC Smile
I followed your topic before about this idea
and I almost feared that u were not going thru with the idea
but u have all my support and I will surtainly be there..
I know where to find you Smile
so we'll speak about this Smile
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#27
Great to see that people are starting to really feel moved to doing some practical brainstorming: very cool, very creative and potentially very helpful.

I'd like to suggest to HCore (and all interested here) that the event of such practical input is a sign that its time, as he prob already feels/knows, to set-up some form of a project management interface (can be a forum, a wiki or an actual OpenS project management app like activeCollab, etc) so that this dialogue, which will very quickly outgrow the scope, scale and features of a mere forum structure like this, can have room to get grounded and a focused dialogue established.

I have over a year of successful online collab experience with a culturally mixed group of co-creators (different project) from all over the planet. I know this can work.

Smile)

....will wait for word from HCore about what he thinks and what's the next step.



-peace!
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#28
Word Smile

Planned to setup and test tomorrow morning.

Kwark, very nice list! Will get back to that as soon as I have a place ready online to put those up for discussion. Very valid points though.

Biggest point seems to be location. A nice big hut in the woods would be great but not really realistic I think.

I don't think any information is illegal in Holland except if you are preaching murder, hate or are discriminating so I dont expect problems there. There is a big difference in law between taking drugs and talking drugs, thank god Smile

But all your ideas sound really nice Kwark, keeping them airtight till we have the webstuff going tomorrow.

Pro, this idea never really left my mind, it's been there a lot longer than just last year, great to have your support Smile

Great to have all your support Big Grin
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#29
I'm in mate.
De omnibus dubitandum.
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#30
HeartCore a écrit :But all your ideas sound really nice Kwark, keeping them airtight till we have the webstuff going tomorrow.

Holding on to them Smile

Isn't it great to see how many people feel like this would be a great thing to set up? 8)
We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains.
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